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    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to All on Sat Aug 16 15:41:23 2025
    Forget a hosepipe ban - UK government suggests we help combat drought by deleting old emails and pictures

    Date:
    Sat, 16 Aug 2025 10:26:00 +0000

    Description:
    UK authorities link digital storage habits to water conservation amid a nationally significant drought.

    FULL STORY

    The UK government has proposed an unconventional way to contribute to water conservation during the countrys ongoing drought - deleting old emails and pictures.

    ThE suggestion came from the National Drought Group , which includes
    government agencies, water companies, and environmental experts.

    The ongoing drought in England has been declared a national incident
    following the driest six months since 1976.

    Six months of extreme dryness prompt government-level alert

    The reasoning behind the advice is linked to the operation of data centers, which support services such as email hosting , cloud storage, and email services .

    These facilities use large volumes of water to cool servers and maintain optimal performance, so by reducing the amount of stored data, the argument goes, demand on data center capacity could be lowered, potentially cutting water consumption.

    However, the real-world effect of such personal digital cleanups is
    uncertain.

    While data centers do consume large amounts of water, particularly in high-density computing operations, experts have not presented clear evidence showing that deleting small amounts of personal data measurably reduces their cooling needs.

    Critics suggest that structural changes, like reducing leaks and improving water infrastructure, would have a more immediate and tangible impact.

    The drought has already prompted hosepipe bans in parts of Yorkshire, the
    South East, and other affected regions.

    Reservoirs have dropped to 67.7% capacity on average across England, far
    below the early August norm of over 80%.

    Some are now below 50%, with river flows at historically low levels in
    certain areas.

    Prolonged dry conditions and multiple heatwaves have worsened the situation, affecting agriculture, wildlife, and public water supply.

    Water companies have intensified leak repairs, with some fixing over 800 each week, and smart meters are being used to identify problem areas.

    Public awareness campaigns have encouraged traditional water-saving actions such as taking shorter showers, fixing leaking toilets, and collecting rainwater for garden use.

    The inclusion of a digital storage cleanup in official conservation messaging reflects a broader recognition that water consumption is linked not only to domestic and industrial activities, but also to the infrastructure supporting online life.

    The growing demand for cloud storage and generative AI has added to the load
    on data centers, and environmental reports have shown measurable water use
    from AI processing tasks.

    Whether deleting old files will have an impact on water supplies remains open to question.

    However, England is in dire need of a solution for the drought, and small, everyday actions, whether at home or online, are part of the collective
    effort to protect the countrys strained water resources.

    "Simple, everyday choices, such as turning off a tap or deleting old emails, also help the collective effort to reduce demand and help preserve the health of our rivers and wildlife," said Helen Wakeham, Director of Water at the Environment Agency.

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    Link to news story: https://www.techradar.com/pro/forget-a-hosepipe-ban-uk-government-suggests-we- help-combat-drought-by-deleting-old-emails-and-pictures

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  • From Rug Rat@1:135/250 to All on Sat Aug 16 20:48:33 2025
    Well,

    I have always said both the cloud and AI are bad.

    I do not use cloud storage persoanlly, so don't be pointing fingers here!

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  • From Rug Rat@1:135/250 to Mike Powell on Sun Aug 17 13:10:41 2025
    On Sun 17-Aug-2025 10:56a, Mike Powell@1:2320/105.0 said to Rug Rat:

    I don't (on purpose anyway) here, either. My guess is that they want the extra storage that "the cloud" is using for AI and are therefore blaming cloud users for what is really being caused by increased AI usage...
    energy
    and water usage, etc.

    Technically speaking, in a closed loop cooling system, there should be minimal waterloss, except for the possibility of increased evaporation due to artifical heating of your cooling ponds.

    Increased energy usage for cloud and AI BAD!
    Increased energy usage by forcing everyone to adopt Electric Vehicles GOOD.

    Sounds to me like the old adage , "If you think the problem's bad now. Wait'l we solve it!"

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  • From Rug Rat@1:135/250 to Mike Powell on Mon Aug 18 20:04:57 2025
    Reminds me of the song, "In the Year 2525 (Exordium & Terminus)"

    "In the year 5555
    Your arms hangin' limp at your sides
    Your legs got nothin' to do
    Some machine's doin' that for you"

    "Now it's been ten thousand years
    Man has cried a billion tears"

    "In the year 2525, if man is still alive
    If woman can survive."

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  • From August Abolins@1:396/45.29 to Rug Rat on Mon Aug 18 23:17:00 2025
    Hello Rug Rat!

    ** On Monday 18.08.25 - 20:04, Rug Rat wrote to Mike Powell:

    Reminds me of the song, "In the Year 2525 (Exordium & Terminus)"

    "In the year 5555
    Your arms hangin' limp at your sides
    Your legs got nothin' to do
    Some machine's doin' that for you"

    A favourite. I think I still have the original 45rpm!

    The beginning is reminiscent of Conquistador[LIVE]: Procol
    Harum

    Check out Eve of Destruction: Barry McGuire.

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    ../|ug

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  • From Rug Rat@1:135/250 to August Abolins on Tue Aug 19 07:46:11 2025
    On Mon 18-Aug-2025 11:17p, August Abolins@1:396/45.29 said to Rug Rat:

    Check out Eve of Destruction: Barry McGuire.

    Always loved that song, "When you think of all the hate there is in Red China, take a look around down in Selma, Alabama.".

    "You may leave here for 4 days in space, but when you return it's the same ol place."

    (Judge not lest ye be judged).
    (Polish a turd, its still a turd).

    A bit of trivia. After his one hit wonder he left the music business and because a minister.

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  • From Rug Rat@1:135/250 to Rob Mccart on Tue Aug 19 11:01:43 2025
    On Tue 19-Aug-2025 8:33a, Rob Mccart@1:2320/105.0 said to Mike Powell:

    If I recall this was more about water usage than electricity use but suggestied that less data stored on servers would reduce the amount
    of water needed to cool them. I'd think a big part of the water part
    of it would depend on if coolant is recycled or just dumped with new
    water coming in to replace it, and where that water is coming from.
    Pretty much anything could be used but I suppose if the servers are
    in a city then it's a huge waste of clean, processed, drinking water.

    In the case of water usage, electricity generation and water go hand in hand. As water is used for either steam for the turbines, or for cooling. Leaking pipes or evaperation in the cooling ponds will result in a net loss. So more power = more heat = more water used.

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