On 16/03/2022 08:18, Mike Miller : Ward Dossche wrote:

 ON>>> The first thing the "refugees" from Ukraine did in neighboring
 ON>>> Moldova was to desecrate the monuments to the fight against
 ON>>> fascism from World War II on the territory of Moldova.

 WD>> Show me the proof ...

 WD>> You should be ashamed of yourself spreading such vicious propaganda
 WD>> ...

 He can't help it.  It's what's being fed to him by the state-run media outlets.

Where does your news come from?

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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
�� ��ᠫ� 15.03.22 19:44:

Russia went on a PR stunt that was doomed to failure from the
beggining. We can see now that he was not protecting anyone. Not
russian speaking or ukrainian.

Monsieur is a telepath?

He has now put out the false flag about Ukraine and chemical
weapons. I will not be surprised to see him using
chemical/biological weapons as he did in Syria. I will be
horrified but not surprised.

I wonder when you will be surprised? When you find out (and by whom do you think it should be confirmed) that someone else is doing this to you right now? How much are you willing to suffer on the physical plane to find out?

Wow! The world's bully state is revered by the United States. And
also the brazen Saxons.

Is that what you think? Think a little bit more.

The Deep State? It's still the West. We only have bears.

That's not enough. Turn your government's ears.

What!?

Exactly as written.

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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
�� ��ᠫ� 15.03.22 19:49:

Believe as you please. There is no propaganda state here.

Your whole press is a big propanandist machine. What did your
press say about yesterday's terrorist attack using banned cluster
munitions in the center of peaceful Donetsk? With casualties
including 20 civilians killed and over 30 wounded. And what about
the shelling of the maternity hospital in Mariupol?

Those cluster bombs come from Russia. They used it in other cities
as well.

It doesn't matter who invented it. It is important who used it and for what purpose. Russia don't used it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KReBo6bq5e0

Thanks, but no thanks.

And yet you didn't say a word about the press.

What was the question then? You only believe what your propaganda (no matter what you call it) tells you, don't believe that state-level propaganda exists in every country and you are under its watchful eye. Your propaganda has assigned Russia as the culprit. A long time ago, over 30 years ago. The sanctions on Russia have not been lifted yet from the USSR. And we are supposed to be goodies and believe in the sanctity and goodness of the West? That's how we can and that's how we believe ;) so far the prices are creeping up in the West, not in Russia ;) and you are the ones who are denied oil sales ;) Look at your Bidon more closely, with a magnifying glass. How is it - no matter where you spit on the planet - there are CIA ears sticking out everywhere. And a joint on a joint on a joint on a joint ;) And there's no missing, eh?)

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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 14.03.2022 12:23


AI> I have already expressed to you that the problem in the Donbass
AI> region is separatists. Russian backed (armed) separatists. The
AI> issue is not ultra nationalists. Well maybe it is, Russian ultra
AI> nationalists in Ukraine.

It is a hypocrisy. The US and EU easily support separatism if
separatists are against Russia or the countries who have good relations
with it. Kosovo, Ethiopia are bright examples of this cynicism.
Separatists from Eritrea in Ethiopia even had cut off the whole country
from the sea -- a catastrophe for any country. But both Kosovo and
Eritrean separatists are in the good list, nobody defended Ethiopia. But
in reality Ukrainian forces had made the same cruel things as did Serbs nationalists. Yes, 14 thousand killed in Donbass is less than in
Yugoslavia, but the scale of evens was smaller.

AI> Yes, there is daily shelling in the Donbass region and everywhere
AI> in Ukraine today by the Russian military. Russian bombing/shelling
AI> is killing many in Ukraine, Russian and Ukrainian speakers alike.

Ukraine nationalists could spare Russian population and leave the areas.
But they prefer to make weapons sites in their flats. Just because they despise their lives. When they forced to leave a particular town they
destroy all the electricity and water supply for the town.

AI> Whatever the issues and solutions are in the Donbass region it is a
AI> Ukrainian problem. The Russian Federation need not amass ~200,000
AI> troops on the Ukraine border and invade that peaceful sovereign
AI> nation with it's military.

Comparing it with Yugoslavia I can say Russia has even more reason to intervene in the situation in Ukraine than NATO in Yugoslavia. Just
because the events are going next and Russian people are under attack. 8
years is surely enough for finding a peaceful solution.

ak>> Most country officials submit to new power under the threat of
ak>> physical reprisal.

AI> The Russian military did not come to Ukraine for a friendly visit.
AI> They went there to bark orders and expected the population to
AI> comply and offer flowers.

There will not be reason for the Russian military to stay in Ukraine if
its population meet it with hostility. We know well the reaction of
Ukrainian nationalists towards Russia, but the reaction of common people
in eastern Ukraine is still be clarified. Until now they risked their
lives when say positive about Russia and the Russian language. We will
see what they say without threats or pressure.

AI> Of course that didn't happen. Did you or the leaders of your
AI> country really expect it would happen? Of course not.

ak>> Photos were done in completely other medical center and this girl
ak>> participated before in many other provocative photos also.

AI> Really!? You are going to have to come up with something better
AI> than "participated before in many other provocative photos also" if
AI> you want me to believe anything you have to say.

You can guess that such a massive strike on such a huge building can't
have only one suffering girl. Its easy.

ak>> Don't forget, that the main slogan of Russia's invasion is justice
ak>> and stopping the war in Donbass.

AI> There is no justice in this war, none.

You cannot judge about it -- if your domestic propaganda has shut up the opposite point of view such a propaganda lies. They have now suppressed
all Russian media as in old times the USSR jammed the Voice of America.
Funny shame. ;-)

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ak>> I repeat -- the Russian stance is not a complete lie. And
ak>> Ukrainian nationalists are not sinless angels.

AI> Nationalism can be problematical. I will give you that.
ak>> That why Putin propaganda works well.
AI> It does? Define works well.

In Russia it works, for most people. I don't say that it tell the
complete truth -- you should understand me correctly, and western media
are also jammed in Russia. I am against any media suppression. People
should know all points of view. Both sides tell some lie and both sides
tell some truth. For instance, I am sure that the western media have
said nothing about the shelling of long-suffering Donetsk, the day
before yesterday, with a big Ukrainian tactical missile. Just in case --
there were 23 killed, children including.

<skipped>
AI> I don't see any refugee's heading to Russia. By and large they are
AI> leaving through Poland and onwards. Very few if any are heading
AI> toward Russia.

It is because of propaganda -- in Russia now there are more than 2
millions of refugees from Ukraine, including more than 200 thousand from
the last events.

AI> I just read an article in the washigton post from 2019 that 20% of
AI> the population in Russia want to leave with Germany and the USA
AI> being the places to go. I wonder what the situation is in 2022?

;-) The poll was in a Navalny headquarter or in the Russia province?

Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 15.03.2022 10:47


DP>>> You cannot be sure about that. Puting officaly annonced that
DP>>> Ukraine is some artifical creature, without rights to exist.

ak>> He never told the last statement -- you are lying badly. Even if I
ak>> don't like Putin I should say it.

DP> Is it a joke?
DP> https://tass.ru/politika/13791307

Well, I've read it -- Putin didn't say that Ukraine has no right to exist.

DP> Sounds like you don't listen carefully to your president.

Read it yourselves or give me the citation.

<skipped>
DP>>> No, it was banned from air in 2017.
ak>> Not true -- in is on air in Moscow in the third multiplex on
ak>> channel 34.

DP> Only in Moscow, it's banned in rest of Russia in 2017. And the only
DP> reason it's there - because our state is a shareholder.

And in Moscow region at least. 20 million people.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 15.03.2022 10:57

ak>> countries which cannot be bombed because of their nuclear
ak>> umbrella.
DP> We had military conflicts between India and Pakistan, they both
DP> had nuclear weapons.

Happily there was a draw then. There were not reasons to use it.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 15.03.2022 11:05

DP>>> Could you please ask him why Russia was always against
DP>>> inviting peace-keeping forces to DNR/LNR?
ak>> It because Ukraine is against Russian participation in
ak>> these forces. Ukraine is afraid that Russia will separate
ak>> fighting sides in honest.
ak>>;)
DP> Russia couldn't be peacekeeping force there, because it's
DP> actually part of the conflict. And Russia never wanted this
DP> conflict to stop, that's why it never allowed any external
DP> forces.

I think no one wants war. Russia always wanted a compromise to be
reached and Ukraine civil war would stop.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 15.03.2022 14:04

AI> Estonia is one nation. Ukraine is another. Russia is another.
AI> Peiople in various countries may or may not speak the same
AI> language. Language is not a border issue. Here in Canada we have two
AI> official languages, english and french and there are more languages
AI> spoken here including russian and ukrainian.

Do you think that it is possible for Ukraine to live as Canada, as a
bilingual state? 46% of Ukraine people speak Russian at home. Why try to
make them speak Ukrainian? You know probably well that language can be
learnt well only if you use it constantly.

Bye, Alan!
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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 15.03.2022 22:03

ak>> An achievable compromise with Russian speaking areas in
ak>> Ukraine is very possible if the Ukrainian nationalists not
ak>> act as a dull ram before the new gate. Both nations in
ak>> Ukraine should have the same rights and it is only just.
LL> Ukraine is one nation. I do not believe Ukraine has any interest
LL> expanding its internationally recognized borders to include
LL> Russia as part of its nation.
LL> Canada has two main groups of people who speak different
LL> languages - English and French. And yet the two groups remain
LL> together - as part of the same nation of Canada. I do not find
LL> France trying to divide Canadians into two different nations.
LL> And I do not find the Queen of England trying to exile
LL> French-speaking peoples from Canada - although she really
LL> should rescind the order a King of England made ??to exile
LL> Cajuns.

Canada is a good example of a bilingual state where people are not
afraid to be fined for speaking in a wrong language -- the fucking
situation in Ukraine after the Language law has been passed.

Bye, Lee!
Alexander Koryagin
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Dmitry,

I was with group of people with blank (!) peaces of paper during protests in 2014 when we've invaded Ukraine for the first time.

I think Ukraine was an independant state earlier in the 20th century when it was invaded for the first time by the communists in 1919 or something. Right?

And I suppose you are familiar with the term "Holodomor" ?

I really cannot grasp how certain 'leaders' can treat their people that way ... it's slavery ...

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Oleg,

Were Americans harassed in Yugoslavia?

NATO intervened because of the bloodshed and ethnic cleansing of
Albainians by Yugoslavia.

Ok. Russia intervened because of the bloodshed and ethnic cleansing of Russians by Ukraine. What is the difference?

The first is a truth, the second a propagandistic lie which has been perpetuated for several .... repeat that lie long enough without any correction or fact-checking and eventually the masses will accept it as fact.

In 1933 a whole mass of people believed Jews were the cause of all problems. Were they? Of course not, but the propaganda was of good quality and the brainwashed masses believed it ... until those masses were forced to walk between the piles of corpses. Then Germany re-invented itself. West-Germany at least ...

Russia will also need to re-invent itself because it no longer can be a trusted member of the international community. That re-invention I will not witness anymore because the damage done in three weeks will take 3-4 decades to be repaired ... unless Putin croaks and dies...

You don't have to worry about Russia; it can take care of itself just
fine.

Russia's economy is about as large as that of the Benelux ... look at the map for the Benelux countries and wake-up. The USSR crashed because it could not afford the arms race anymore, those times are returning when there will be no money anymore to pay the hundreds of thousands of mercenaries (that's what I call paid-for military in any army) and they turn against their leadership ... or just leave.

Russia's business model will not crah, it has already. It took only 3 weeks.

Think of me when you and other Russians will fight eachother over breadcrumbs, look at photos from during the communist days and the lines of people to see what was in the stores that day to eat ... and it was not exactly that Krustchev, Breznev, Andropov, Yeltsin and Gorbatsjov looked underfed ... if you understand what I'm saying.

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He has now put out the false flag about Ukraine and chemical weapons. I will not be surprised to see him using chemical/biological weapons as he did in Syria. I will be horrified but not surprised.

The real horror to me is that there are hundreds of thousands, millions ready to execute his orders instantly as coming from a divine being.

There is a book about this period in Nazism "Hitler's willing executioners" ... without the willing it does not work in Russia either. Therefor any solution in the long run will be when today's ruling generation expires and I will not live to see that ...

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And don't get your hopes up. You have very outdated data.

My Fido-friend, there are only 14 airworthy IL-96 left out of 29 built. That's a fact ... it was a beautiful design and a commercial disaster, nobody wanted it with Cubana the only foreign company aquiring it because the old USSR paid it for them.

Forget the word "international" already, and we'll fly between our
peoples ourselves ;) we were able to cope with a much larger population
of the USSR.

Sure, go fly ... except the population will not be able to afford it.

If you exclude the human factor from the causes of plane crashes, Boeing would still be the most unreliable, and Airbus would still be the most sacrificial ;)

In that case, move away from it, get rid of them ... send them back to these leasing companies and fly good ol' Ruski stuff ... The only Russian planes which are used extensively in Europe and beyond are Antonovs .... wait, not Russian-made, that's Ukraine ...

As far as I remember, Sukhoy was developed from scratch in no more than 5 years.

Gosh, you're good at proving my point ...

To me, Britain is also Europe. The fact that it seceded along with its island is irrelevant to the question.

Just for the record, Great Brittain "IS" an island.

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 16.03.22 10:11:

Oleg,

Were Americans harassed in Yugoslavia? AI> NATO intervened

because of the bloodshed and ethnic cleansing of AI> Albainians
by Yugoslavia. Ok. Russia intervened because of the bloodshed and
ethnic cleansing of Russians by Ukraine. What is the difference?

The first is a truth, the second a propagandistic lie which has
been perpetuated for several .... repeat that lie long enough
without any correction or fact-checking and eventually the masses
will accept it as fact.

You can see better from Europe how we live here. You are not the ones who have been bombed every day and at night for eight years. That's convenient. But don't yell "why us?" afterwards. - There's no one to yell, we wouldn't be able to turn our heads if we wanted to. Now it's up to you guys to clean up your own mess.

In 1933 a whole mass of people believed Jews were the cause of all problems. Were they? Of course not, but the propaganda was of good quality and the brainwashed masses believed it ... until those
masses were forced to walk between the piles of corpses. Then
Germany re-invented itself. West-Germany at least ...

The West will very soon have to rethink a lot by the standards of history and assign blame to itself.

Russia will also need to re-invent itself because it no longer can
be a trusted member of the international community. That
re-invention I will not witness anymore because the damage done in
three weeks will take 3-4 decades to be repaired ... unless Putin
croaks and dies...

Worry about yourself, forget the habit of constantly looking over your neighbor's shoulder.

Russia's economy is about as large as that of the Benelux ... look
at the map for the Benelux countries and wake-up. The USSR crashed because it could not afford the arms race anymore, those times are returning when there will be no money anymore to pay the hundreds
of thousands of mercenaries (that's what I call paid-for military
in any army) and they turn against their leadership ... or just
leave.

How does a foreign country's economy affect you? Are you going to live there?

Russia's business model will not crah, it has already. It took
only 3 weeks.

What business model? What's going on in your heads? We don't even have higher grocery prices in the stores.

Think of me when you and other Russians will fight eachother over breadcrumbs, look at photos from during the communist days and the
lines of people to see what was in the stores that day to eat ...
and it was not exactly that Krustchev, Breznev, Andropov, Yeltsin
and Gorbatsjov looked underfed ... if you understand what I'm
saying.

Where did you get such nonsense in your head? You say you have no propaganda? And where did this nonsense come from? We survived both the Union and the collapse of the Union (or rather one very clever half-Khokhol sold the country to the West), and another 30 years. This is us. We know how to do it and what to do not to repeat it. We know. The West does not yet ;) so think of yourselves. You should be freezing in winter, not us. And pick up crumbs all over the world. We have everything of our own.


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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 16.03.22 10:13:

My Fido-friend, there are only 14 airworthy IL-96 left out of 29
built. That's a fact ... it was a beautiful design and a
commercial disaster, nobody wanted it with Cubana the only foreign company aquiring it because the old USSR paid it for them.

Oh, my goodness... Have you been reading the Soviet newspapers again?
Okay, our propaganda works very well. For the West ;) write more!

In that case, move away from it, get rid of them ... send them
back to these leasing companies and fly good ol' Ruski stuff ...
The only Russian planes which are used extensively in Europe and
beyond are Antonovs .... wait, not Russian-made, that's Ukraine
...

Study history. Antonov is not Ukrainian ;) Real Ukrainian products are halushkas and fakes ;)

Gosh, you're good at proving my point ...

It's an airplane from scratch, has absolutely nothing to do with the military. It's just business. You us falling apart Boeings we also ;)

Just for the record, Great Brittain "IS" an island.

Nope, i'v mean what i'v written.


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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 16.03.22 9:08:

I think Ukraine was an independant state earlier in the 20th
century when it was invaded for the first time by the communists
in 1919 or something. Right?

It is not worth redrawing history and confusing the modern territory of Ukraine with Bessarabia and Galicia. The fact that they were part of the Russian empire, not independent states. Kiev is a Russian city ;) it has been populated by Galicians since 2014, the Russian population was expelled. The Communists came much later, in 1919 it was still the Bolsheviks, and they simply re-subordinated the territories of the same Russian empire without going beyond its borders.

And I suppose you are familiar with the term "Holodomor" ?

This is another historical lie. There was a famine throughout Russia; no one specifically starved the territory from the borders of Romania and Poland to Rostov.

I really cannot grasp how certain 'leaders' can treat their people
that way ... it's slavery ...

That is not for you to judge. Neither you nor your distant ancestors ever experienced such losses in wars as Russia did.

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Russia went on a PR stunt that was doomed to failure from the
beggining. We can see now that he was not protecting anyone. Not
russian speaking or ukrainian.

Monsieur is a telepath?

You can call me Al.

I wonder when you will be surprised? When you find out (and by whom do you think it should be confirmed) that someone else is doing this to you right now. How much are you willing to suffer on the physical plane to find out?

I do not suffer propaganda.

Is that what you think? Think a little bit more.

It is more, I was being nice.

The Deep State? It's still the West. We only have bears.

We have plenty of bears also but that is not the issue.

That's not enough. Turn your government's ears.

What!?

Exactly as written.

You have written nothing.

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It doesn't matter who invented it. It is important who used it and for what purpose. Russia don't used it.

Russia did use it, just as they did in Syria.

Thanks, but no thanks.

And yet you didn't say a word about the press.

I had a quick look and did some translation and it became clear it was propagana. I don't consume the stuff.

What was the question then? You only believe what your propaganda (no matter what you call it) tells you,

I believe the facts.

don't believe that state-level propaganda exists in every country and you
are under its watchful eye. Your propaganda has assigned Russia as the culprit.

In the case of using cluster bombs on civilians yes, Russia has used them on civilians and has used them in Ukraine.

A long time ago, over 30 years ago. The sanctions on Russia have not been lifted yet from the USSR. And we are suppose to be goodies and believe in the sanctity and goodness of the West? That's how we can and that's how we believe ;) so far the prices are creeping up in the West, not in Russia ;)

The latest round of sanctions are on Putin and his oligarchs directly. They are not designed to impact everyday Russian people (who could care less about any of this). It is my hope that the impact on regular folks will be minimal.

I was watching a video from a russian vlogger earlier today who went out with his camera and did some shopping. His costs for day to day shopping had increased around 30%. Your milage may vary.

and you are the ones who are denied oil sales ;) Look a your Bidon more closely, with a magnifying glass. How is it - no matter where you spit on
the planet - there are CIA ears sticking out everywhere. And a joint on a joint on a joint on a joint ;) And there's no missing, eh?)

If I could have my way there would be better/closer relations between the west and Russia. Do you think that the average Canadian or American is against you. They are not. They spend there free time spending time with family and friends and international relations are hardly thought of.

In the case of your war with Ukraine they are against you. Not because you are an enemy but because you invaded a peaceful sovereign nation. It was peaceful there before Russia invaded.

For that matter the whole world is against you (excepting the usual suspects) and your war. The EU and NATO are now more united than ever. This is what your war has accomplished.

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It is a hypocrisy. The US and EU easily support separatism if
separatists are against Russia or the countries who have good relations
with it.

The US and EU are not involved with Ukraines internal issues and Russia should not be either.

Kosovo, Ethiopia are bright examples of this cynicism.
Separatists from Eritrea in Ethiopia even had cut off the whole country
from the sea -- a catastrophe for any country. But both Kosovo and
Eritrean separatists are in the good list, nobody defended Ethiopia. But
in reality Ukrainian forces had made the same cruel things as did Serbs nationalists. Yes, 14 thousand killed in Donbass is less than in
Yugoslavia, but the scale of evens was smaller.

I don't have the gas to go to Ethiopia. :)

The west may not have put boots on the ground and I don't think Russia did either but the west has supported African countries plenty.

Ukraine nationalists could spare Russian population and leave the areas.

But that is Ukraine. Ukraine is in their own country, as one would expect.

But they prefer to make weapons sites in their flats. Just because they despise their lives. When they forced to leave a particular town they
destroy all the electricity and water supply for the town.

It is the separatists who do this.

Comparing it with Yugoslavia I can say Russia has even more reason to intervene in the situation in Ukraine than NATO in Yugoslavia.

Russia has no business in Ukraine.

Just because the events are going next and Russian people are under attack.
8 years is surely enough for finding a peaceful solution.

Those are Ukrainian people.

There will not be reason for the Russian military to stay in Ukraine if
its population meet it with hostility.

What did you expect your invasion force to meet with? Flowers?

We know well the reaction of Ukrainian nationalists towards Russia, but the reaction of common people in eastern Ukraine is still be clarified. Until
now they risked their lives when say positive about Russia and the Russian language. We will see what they say without threats or pressure.

Russian speakers in Ukraine didn't like being used as the reason for invasion.

You can guess that such a massive strike on such a huge building can't
have only one suffering girl. Its easy.

Of course.

There is no justice in this war, none.

You cannot judge about it -- if your domestic propaganda has shut up the opposite point of view such a propaganda lies. They have now suppressed
all Russian media as in old times the USSR jammed the Voice of America.
Funny shame. ;-)

Russian media has not been suppressed here. Well, some propaganda sites like RT were but I can still read the writing/thoughts/video's from Russia and it is plentyful.

I realize it may not be easy for you to reach beyond the propaganda in Russia.

In Russia it works, for most people.

I agree the propaganda machine in Russia works well. I don't think that is a good thing.

I don't say that it tell the complete truth -- you should understand me correctly, and western media are also jammed in Russia.

Yes.

I am against any media suppression. People should know all points of view. Both sides tell some lie and both sides tell some truth. For instance, I am sure that the western media have said nothing about the shelling of long-suffering Donetsk, the day before yesterday, with a big Ukrainian tactical missile. Just in case -- there were 23 killed, children including.

I know that Russia has many different types of missiles, some smaller, some larger, and some even larger and more devastating.

I am not sure that Ukraine has much in the way of "big tactical" missiles.

I don't think Ukraine is firing any missiles at Donetsk, not today in the middle of this Russian invasion. The Ukraine military has other priorities.

It is because of propaganda -- in Russia now there are more than 2
millions of refugees from Ukraine, including more than 200 thousand from
the last events.

No, it's because the refugees are headed in another direction for the most part. I did see a small number of refugees heading to Russia from the Donbass region before the invasion.

I just read an article in the washigton post from 2019 that 20% of
the population in Russia want to leave with Germany and the USA
being the places to go. I wonder what the situation is in 2022?

;-) The poll was in a Navalny headquarter or in the Russia province?

No, Navalny was not involved. It seems many have left Russia since the war started but I have no guess on what the numbers are.

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Do you think that it is possible for Ukraine to live as Canada, as a bilingual state?

I am not sure. This has been a rocky road at times.

46% of Ukraine people speak Russian at home. Why try to make them speak Ukrainian?

If I were in Ukraine or Russia at this moment I would have to speak in english since it is the only language I know.

You know probably well that language can be learnt well only if you use it constantly.

I think it is only natural for a person to speak in their mother tongue. If I were to move to Russia I would have to learn to speak russian so I can communicate but I will likely always speak english when I can do that.

None of that is problematical in some way, is it?

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The real horror to me is that there are hundreds of thousands, millions ready to execute his orders instantly as coming from a divine being.

The military is trained to take orders. Every military is that way.

I feel for the Russian soldiers. They have no where to go. They can't go back home or they will be shot. They must either fire on targets as ordered or perhaps they can surrender. There are are POWs in Ukraine but I have no idea how many.

There is a book about this period in Nazism "Hitler's willing executioners" .. >without the willing it does not work in Russia either. Therefor any solution i >the long run will be when today's ruling generation expires and I will not liv
to see that ...

Yes, many in Russia blindly follow and believe what their leader says regardless of haw outrageous it is. That doesn't seem to be the case for young people though. Many have been jailed simply because they appose the war and expressed that fact. They give me hope.

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Oleg,

You can see better from Europe how we live here. You are not the ones who have been bombed every day and at night for eight years.

Show us the proof of that ...

What business model? What's going on in your heads? We don't even have higher grocery prices in the stores.

Russia today needs to pay back $117 million. In theory that is such
a small amount it should not be a problem.

The problem is that the Russian government cannot redeem the dollar-denominated coupons of its dollar-denominated debt as
a result of international sanctions without draining its foreign
exchange reserves, which are largely frozen. Moreover, the sanctions
make dollar payments by the Russian government almost impossible.

The repayment is therefore expected to be made in rubles,
something Moscow announced more than a week ago. Only that
conversion into their own currency is not allowed according
to the contracts in which the dollar loans are laid down.
In theory, Russia has a 30-day grace period to make the payment
correctly, but there is a good chance that rating agencies will
not wait for that deadline to earmark the country as a defaulter,
which means bankruptcy.

When a country defaults on its payments, collapse and economical chaos follow.

Welcome to the real word, but please keep entertaining us

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Hello, David Drummond.
On 3/16/22 12:49 PM you wrote:

On 16/03/2022 08:18, Mike Miller : Ward Dossche wrote:  ON>>>
The first thing the "refugees" from Ukraine did in neighboring
 ON>>> Moldova was to desecrate the monuments to the fight
against  ON>>> fascism from World War II on the territory of
Moldova.  WD>> Show me the proof ...  WD>> You should be
ashamed of yourself spreading such vicious propaganda  WD>> ...

 He can't help it.  It's what's being fed to him by the
state-run media outlets.

Where does your news come from?

I know you want me to be all like "rabble rabble, Fox News is the only true source of news! Rabble rabble"

Sorry to disappoint, I get my news from many sources and, if they conflict, and I care enough to find out why, I'll dig into that.

Most mornings I wake up to news from The BBC, NPR, Reuters, USA Today, AL-Jazeera, PBS, and, if I make it through those, The Economist, Washington Post and New York Times. (all audio format)

If I'm interested enough in something I'll dive into it on the web.


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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 16.03.22 13:39:

Show us the proof of that ...

What kind of proofs are you talking about? The West has just completely destroyed freedom of speech with its own hands. Why should I know what kind of proofs you believe now? ;)

The problem is that the Russian government cannot redeem the dollar-denominated coupons of its dollar-denominated debt as a
result of international sanctions without draining its foreign
exchange reserves, which are largely frozen. Moreover, the
sanctions make dollar payments by the Russian government almost impossible.

This is not our problem. Today it West's problem ;)

The repayment is therefore expected to be made in rubles,
something Moscow announced more than a week ago. Only that
conversion into their own currency is not allowed according to
the contracts in which the dollar loans are laid down. In theory,
Russia has a 30-day grace period to make the payment correctly,
but there is a good chance that rating agencies will not wait for
that deadline to earmark the country as a defaulter, which means bankruptcy.

They'll print as much as they need, so you're like little kids. And the system will not get these notes;) But before that there will be a more different trick of the ears ;)

When a country defaults on its payments, collapse and economical
chaos follow.

You keep omitting the fact that we are no longer tied to the dollar ;) you can't buy absolutely anything with the dollar, the bubble has burst.

Welcome to the real word, but please keep entertaining us

Russia will survive the disappearance of the West for itself. Well, as if the West simply washed away ;)

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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
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I do not suffer propaganda.

That's what you think, Al.

It is more, I was being nice.

What's impolite about the imposition yet?

The Deep State? It's still the West. We only have bears.

We have plenty of bears also but that is not the issue.

You don't have them walking around downtown Toronto ;)

You have written nothing.

If you don't understand - read it again.

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���ண� �६�窠, Alan Ianson.
�� ��ᠫ� 16.03.22 4:37:

Russia did use it, just as they did in Syria.

This is a lie. What does Syria have to do with it? Shall we start with napalm in Vietnam? Or a nuclear bomb in Hiroshima?

Thanks, but no thanks.

And yet you didn't say a word about the press.

I had a quick look and did some translation and it became clear it
was propagana. I don't consume the stuff.

You have no other sources than Nazi propaganda from Ukraine, at least admit it to yourself. But the West persists in calling the truth propaganda and will continue to do so to the end. Or maybe we filmed this footage ourselves at Mosfilm?

I believe the facts.

Reread the paragraph above.

In the case of using cluster bombs on civilians yes, Russia has
used them on civilians and has used them in Ukraine.

Reread the two paragraphs above.

A long time ago, over 30 years ago. The sanctions on Russia have
not been lifted yet from the USSR. And we are suppose to be
goodies and believe in the sanctity and goodness of the West?
That's how we can and that's how we believe ;) so far the prices
are creeping up in the West, not in Russia ;)

The latest round of sanctions are on Putin and his oligarchs
directly. They are not designed to impact everyday Russian people
(who could care less about any of this). It is my hope that the
impact on regular folks will be minimal.

Even grannies on the benches are laughing at the latest sanctions. Our military cannot have any business not only in the West, but also in russia. They don't really care about that.
People with a lot of money have been lumped together with the homeless in the West. Thereby digging a hole in their economy with their own hands. The West is pissed off, and we are laughing.

I was watching a video from a russian vlogger earlier today who
went out with his camera and did some shopping. His costs for day
to day shopping had increased around 30%. Your milage may vary.

In Moscow yesterday I did not notice any difference in the price of food. We are not talking about 30%. Moreover, the price tag, which previously depended on the dollar, went down.
So, some shrewd sellers did try to inflate prices, and banks raised interest rates on loans, which lasted less than a week. They could not survive such greed.

If I could have my way there would be better/closer relations
between the west and Russia. Do you think that the average
Canadian or American is against you. They are not. They spend
there free time spending time with family and friends and
international relations are hardly thought of.

In that case, absolutely the entire West is now zombified by propaganda. And it didn't start now, the U.S. was just waiting for an excuse. Russia gave the pretext deliberately, and now the whole east is laughing at the west.

In the case of your war with Ukraine they are against you. Not
because you are an enemy but because you invaded a peaceful
sovereign nation. It was peaceful there before Russia invaded.

We don't think so. ISIS is not a very peaceful neighbor, if that makes sense to you.

For that matter the whole world is against you (excepting the
usual suspects) and your war. The EU and NATO are now more united
than ever. This is what your war has accomplished.

By naming a number of independent states (whose exact location on the planet you probably can't show at a glance) "usual suspects" you are not even insulting them, but once again confirm the Western propaganda nature.
What you have achieved from west's propaganda I will write a separate post.


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Hello, Oleg!

Wednesday March 16 2022 05:50, you wrote to me:

We have black market already. But those factories cannot do
anything without EU's supplies.

You know better than that...

I know because it's the problem for them already.

We cannot produce IL-96 anymore and it was VERY expensive to
opperate. Who is gonna pay for that?

A completely different transport has been prepared especially for you
;)

???

No. We had very different periods. Current sucntions are huge!

Personally for you. We tried to.

No, for you. I am ok, mostly.

We have problems with incoming wire transfers, people are moving
from Russia in big numbers!

Russia has a moratorium on the death penalty ;) That leaves the
patriots.

Who cares about death penalty if you don't have people to do high-tech jobs?

No drugs, people are literally screaming in local telegram
channels because they cannot buy required meds. Putin never
thought about them.

People do not yet know other names than the promoted brand names from Western pharma moguls. Google, Facebook, and Instagram have been
blocked, but they haven't learned how to use the Internet.

People cannot find replacement for basic drugs. This is how it's happening in Moscow right now.

GMO? Is it for real?!

We also have bears walking the streets without muzzles and carrying nuclear machine guns.

But I've asked you about GMO.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, Oleg!

Wednesday March 16 2022 05:53, you wrote to me:

Why is that? We will strike first, don't doubt it. You want it so
badly - how can you refuse?

"We" means that you have some company there? :) Some clowns, may be?

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday March 16 2022 09:38, you wrote to me:

Well, I've read it -- Putin didn't say that Ukraine has no right to
exist.

Oh!

Sounds like you don't listen carefully to your president.

Read it yourselves or give me the citation.

In Russia?

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Only in Moscow, it's banned in rest of Russia in 2017. And the
only reason it's there - because our state is a shareholder.

And in Moscow region at least. 20 million people.

No, only in Moscow. Not in Moscow region.

Best regards,
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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday March 16 2022 09:42, you wrote to me:

We had military conflicts between India and Pakistan, they both
had nuclear weapons.

Happily there was a draw then. There were not reasons to use it.

So you are agree that you were not right? :)

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday March 16 2022 09:46, you wrote to me:

actually part of the conflict. And Russia never wanted this
conflict to stop, that's why it never allowed any external
forces.

I think no one wants war. Russia always wanted a compromise to be

About 50% of Russians want war. Do you need link about that?

reached and Ukraine civil war would stop.

No.

Best regards,
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Hello, Oleg!

Wednesday March 16 2022 03:36, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

Ok. Russia intervened because of the bloodshed and ethnic cleansing of Russians by Ukraine. What is the difference?

It's just fake. There were no bloodshed.

Then why do you care so much about Ukraine?

I care the same about Russia that I do about Ukraine.

You don't have to worry about Russia; it can take care of itself just fine.

No, we can't produce very important drugs, for example.

Ukraine was invaded by a bully state.

You'll find out after the victory. If you want to hear us.

I will certainly hear you.

That's not enough. Turn your government's ears.

Turn were?

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, Oleg!

Wednesday March 16 2022 03:55, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

There is no propaganda state here. I will believe you if you tell
me the facts and back them up when needed.

Your whole press is a big propanandist machine. What did your press

No.

say about yesterday's terrorist attack using banned cluster munitions
in the center of peaceful Donetsk? With casualties including 20

CNN reported that, but Donetsk is not peacefull, we jad Russian forces there since 2014.

civilians killed and over 30 wounded. And what about the shelling of
the maternity hospital in Mariupol? With the only wounded person in
the three photos wearing different clothes and with different colors

Fake: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/03/15/fact-check-russian-attack-mariupol-hospital-not-staged/7041649001/



Best regards,
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Hello, Oleg!

Wednesday March 16 2022 03:59, you wrote to Mike Miller:

Don't think - it will be worse! ;)

"Don't think" is the motto of average Putin's fan.

the UN nearly unanimounsly voted to condemn Russia's invasion of
Ukraine, and called for an immediate halt to Putin's war.

If only all the issues in the world were solved by a wave of a magic
wand of the United Nations... No one listens to them, so why should Russia?

So Russia is ready to leave UN?

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, Oleg!

Wednesday March 16 2022 04:33, you wrote to Brian Klauss:

Do you really think Russians are crazy?

Some of them are crazy. I am Russian and for me your posts are really crazy.

But. If a Polish plane, for example, is attacked, by law we would have
to shoot it down and destroy the airfield from which it took off. And
NATO knows this very well. Isn't that why the U.S. rejected Poland's
offer to give Ukraine old Soviet fighters from an airfield in Germany?

We don't such law.

I don't mean National Socialism at all. You don't know either,
apparently. Zelensky is not just a clown, he is a controlled clown. I

Putin is a clown, Zelensky is a hard guy.

wouldn't be surprised to hear that all of his press conferences after 24.02 were taken down under pressure from several intelligence
officers at once ;)

Are you ok? :)

Yes, even for the culture of our traffic within the country should
change several generations ;) That's why even the generation of young people who live in Russia now - perceive the next 50 years "in exile" quite calmly, not to mention those who left the USSR in the era of "stagnation".

Could you please explain this part?


Best regards,
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Hello, Oleg!

Wednesday March 16 2022 19:41, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

Russia will survive the disappearance of the West for itself. Well, as
if the West simply washed away ;)

What CPU is in your computer? :)
Looks like you are just out of reality.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, Oleg!

Wednesday March 16 2022 05:53, you wrote to me:

Why is that? We will strike first, don't doubt it. You want it so
badly - how can you refuse?

I've asked today my friend from Moscow's city hall administration and he told me that people who talks about "first strike" are idiots.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday March 16 2022 10:22, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

Do you think that it is possible for Ukraine to live as Canada, as a bilingual state? 46% of Ukraine people speak Russian at home. Why try
to make them speak Ukrainian? You know probably well that language can
be learnt well only if you use it constantly.

I have many friends in Ukraine and they have no problems with using Russian language.

When you've visited Ukraine? Never? :)

Best regards,
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You have written nothing.

If you don't understand - read it again.

I understood it fine. Still, you have written nothing.

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Russia did use it, just as they did in Syria.

This is a lie.

It is a simple well known truth. I'm sorry it doesn't fit your narrative.

What does Syria have to do with it?

Syria is recent history. It tells us how the Russian military operates.

Shall we start with napalm in Vietnam? Or a nuclear bomb in Hiroshima?

Sure the USA used napalm and a nuclear weapons. This is also a well known truth that has no bearing today.

You have no other sources than Nazi propaganda from Ukraine, at least admit it to yourself.

Why should I accept your lies. I never will.

But the West persists in calling the truth propaganda and will continue to
do so to the end. Or maybe we filmed this footage ourselves at Mosfilm?

We call facts facts and we call lies lies.

I believe the facts.

Reread the paragraph above.

Why would I reread your lies?

In the case of using cluster bombs on civilians yes, Russia has
used them on civilians and has used them in Ukraine.

Reread the two paragraphs above.

I could reread it forever but the facts remain the same.

Even grannies on the benches are laughing at the latest sanctions. Our military cannot have any business not only in the West, but also in russia. They don't really care about that.

Then why was Putin ranting about it today?

People with a lot of money have been lumped together with the homeless in the West. Thereby digging a hole in their economy with their own hands. The West is pissed off, and we are laughing.

Laugh on Oleg.

I was watching a video from a russian vlogger earlier today who
went out with his camera and did some shopping. His costs for day
to day shopping had increased around 30%. Your milage may vary.

In Moscow yesterday I did not notice any difference in the price of food. We are not talking about 30%. Moreover, the price tag, which previously depended on the dollar, went down.

I am glad for you. The russian vlogger I meantioned is in St. Petersburg.

If I could have my way there would be better/closer relations
between the west and Russia. Do you think that the average
Canadian or American is against you. They are not. They spend
there free time spending time with family and friends and
international relations are hardly thought of.

In that case, absolutely the entire West is now zombified by propaganda. And i didn't start now, the U.S. was just waiting for an excuse. Russia gave the pretext deliberately, and now the whole east is laughing at the west.

Keep on laughing.

In the case of your war with Ukraine they are against you. Not
because you are an enemy but because you invaded a peaceful
sovereign nation. It was peaceful there before Russia invaded.

We don't think so. ISIS is not a very peaceful neighbor, if that makes sense to you.

ISIS is not your neighbor. Why do you imagine such a thing?

For that matter the whole world is against you (excepting the
usual suspects) and your war. The EU and NATO are now more united
than ever. This is what your war has accomplished.

By naming a number of independent states (whose exact location on the planet you probably can't show at a glance) "usual suspects" you are not even insulting them, but once again confirm the Western propaganda nature.

Why should I insult them? We know who/what they are, that is enough.

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Hello alexander koryagin!

** On Wednesday 16.03.22 - 10:37, alexander koryagin wrote to Lee Lofaso:

Canada is a good example of a bilingual state where people are not
afraid to be fined for speaking in a wrong language -- the fucking situation in Ukraine after the Language law has been passed.

If that's the news that is being fed to you, then I have to
wonder what other untrue information you are getting.

People are NOT fined for speaking the language of their choice
in Canada!

Quebec may insist on certain PRINTED material to appear in
French, but that's about all there's to it.

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On 16/03/2022 12:19, Mike Miller : David Drummond wrote:
 MM>>>  He can't help it.┬а It's what's being fed to him by the
 MM>>> state-run media outlets.

 DD>> Where does your news come from?

I know you want me to be all like "rabble rabble, Fox News is the only true source of news! Rabble rabble"

Sorry to disappoint, I get my news from many sources and, if they conflict, and I care enough to find out why, I'll dig into that.

Most mornings I wake up to news from The BBC, NPR, Reuters, USA Today, AL-Jazeera, PBS, and, if I make it through those, The Economist, Washington Post and New York Times. (all audio format)

If I'm interested enough in something I'll dive into it on the web.

I feel that most of the news sources generally available here (Australia) have been "sanitised" to conform to the "official narrative".

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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 16.03.2022 15:39

WD> Russia today needs to pay back $117 million. In theory that is
WD> such a small amount it should not be a problem.
WD> The problem is that the Russian government cannot redeem the
WD> dollar-denominated coupons of its dollar-denominated debt as
WD> a result of international sanctions without draining its foreign
WD> exchange reserves, which are largely frozen. Moreover, the
WD> sanctions make dollar payments by the Russian government almost
WD> impossible.

Can Russia pay his check saying "take the money from the frozen actives
if you want to get money"?

Bye, Ward!
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Hi, Mike Miller!
I read your message from 16.03.2022 11:19

MM> Most mornings I wake up to news from The BBC, NPR, Reuters, USA
MM> Today, AL-Jazeera, PBS, and, if I make it through those, The
MM> Economist, Washington Post and New York Times. (all audio
MM> format) If I'm interested enough in something I'll dive into it on the
MM> web.

If you are interested in the Ukraine events you should learn what Russia
says also. Ah, sorry, I forgot -- you are prohibited to read Russian
news. ;-) You live in a "free" country.

Bye, Mike!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 17.03.2022 01:29


ak>> Well, I've read it -- Putin didn't say that Ukraine has no right
ak>> to exist.
DP> Oh!
DP>>> Sounds like you don't listen carefully to your president.
ak>> Read it yourselves or give me the citation.

DP> In Russian?

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DP> �筥�, ����襢���᪮�, ����㭨���᪮� ���ᨥ�

"Modern Ukraine was created by the communist Russia".

where have you seen "Ukraine has no right to exist"? ;=) Why do you tell
so obvious fake?

DP>>> Only in Moscow, it's banned in rest of Russia in 2017. And the
DP>>> only reason it's there - because our state is a shareholder.

ak>> And in Moscow region at least. 20 million people.

DP> No, only in Moscow. Not in Moscow region.

I live Moscow region, 75 km from Moscow, and I can watch Euronews
perfectly well.


Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 17.03.2022 01:31

DP>>> We had military conflicts between India and Pakistan,
DP>>> they both had nuclear weapons.
ak>> Happily there was a draw then. There were not reasons to
ak>> use it.
DP> So you are agree that you were not right? :)

Russia has no reason to use nukes unless struck heavily. The same was
for India and Pakistan. That war had completed with the score 2:2. :-)

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 17.03.2022 01:32

DP>>> actually part of the conflict. And Russia never wanted
DP>>> this conflict to stop, that's why it never allowed any
DP>>> external forces.
ak>> I think no one wants war. Russia always wanted a compromise
ak>> to be
DP> About 50% of Russians want war. Do you need link about that?

But you have to agree that reasons for a war are different and a war can
be just?

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 17.03.2022 01:54

ak>> Do you think that it is possible for Ukraine to live as
ak>> Canada, as a bilingual state? 46% of Ukraine people speak
ak>> Russian at home. Why try to make them speak Ukrainian? You
ak>> know probably well that language can be learnt well only if
ak>> you use it constantly.
DP> I have many friends in Ukraine and they have no problems with
DP> using Russian language. When you've visited Ukraine? Never?:)

The Language law has be implemented to 2024. For a while many didn't
feel it well.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, August Abolins!
I read your message from 17.03.2022 04:44

ak>> Canada is a good example of a bilingual state where people
ak>> are not afraid to be fined for speaking in a wrong language
ak>> -- the fucking situation in Ukraine after the Language law
ak>> has been passed.
AA> If that's the news that is being fed to you, then I have to
AA> wonder what other untrue information you are getting.
AA> People are NOT fined for speaking the language of their choice
AA> in Canada!
AA> Quebec may insist on certain PRINTED material to appear in
AA> French, but that's about all there's to it.

You have read poorly -- I wrote that in Canada people ARE NOT fined for speaking a wrong language. But in the today Ukraine this fucking
situation is reality.

Bye, August!
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If you are interested in the Ukraine events you should learn what Russia
says also.

Why should we learn what Russia says also? Russia is not reporting truthfully about Russia or Ukraine.

Ah, sorry, I forgot -- you are prohibited to read Russian
news. ;-) You live in a "free" country.

We are not prohibited to read Russian news. That's silly.

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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 17.03.2022 09:06

ak>>> If you are interested in the Ukraine events you should
ak>>> learn what Russia says also.
AI> Why should we learn what Russia says also? Russia is not
AI> reporting truthfully about Russia or Ukraine.

Both sides carry the responsibility for the situation -- that why
neither of them say the truth only. Western media translates only the Ukrainian version of events.

ak>> Ah, sorry, I forgot -- you are prohibited to read Russian
ak>> news. ;-) You live in a "free" country.
AI> We are not prohibited to read Russian news. That's silly.

Well, you are not prohibited -- you are just not allowed. ;-) All
Russian media has blocked and jammed in your free world.

Bye, Alan!
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Why should we learn what Russia says also? Russia is not
reporting truthfully about Russia or Ukraine.

Both sides carry the responsibility for the situation

What situation are you refering too? The Russian invasion of Ukraine? Russia bears reponsibility for it's actions.

that why neither of them say the truth only. Western media translates only the Ukrainian version of events.

You are so propagandized that you think the rest of the world is too, it is not. There are western reporters reporting the facts on the ground in Ukraine. No translation is needed. So far three western reporters have also been killed in Ukraine by Russian fire.

Ah, sorry, I forgot -- you are prohibited to read Russian
news. ;-) You live in a "free" country.

We are not prohibited to read Russian news. That's silly.

Well, you are not prohibited -- you are just not allowed. ;-)

That is just as silly. We are not prohibited in any way, we are allowed.

All Russian media has blocked and jammed in your free world.

That is on it's way to you, the Russian reader. Nothing is blocked or jammed here in the free world.

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If you are interested in the Ukraine events you should learn what Russia says also. Ah, sorry, I forgot -- you are prohibited to read Russian
news. ;-) You live in a "free" country.

On the countrary. We got Putin's news broadcast/TV-speech too and this must be the largest des-information effort in the world's history. When a people has been lied-to the way that Putin is lying to and des-informing his compatriots then the total destruction and annihilation of Ukraine as it is happening now is explained...

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You have read poorly -- I wrote that in Canada people ARE NOT fined for speaking a wrong language. But in the today Ukraine this fucking
situation is reality.

I won a law suit in front of the Belgian supreme court against my employer because he addressed me in the wrong language ... we solved that in a civil matter ...

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Both sides carry the responsibility for the situation -- that why
neither of them say the truth only. Western media translates only the Ukrainian version of events.

There are tens of western journalists independantly covering the news with their own camera crews ... the Ukrainians have other priorities to attend to.

Well, you are not prohibited -- you are just not allowed. ;-) All
Russian media has blocked and jammed in your free world.

On the countrary ... and "Thank you Elon Musk" ...

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Can Russia pay his check saying "take the money from the frozen actives
if you want to get money"?

I think that's possible but the question is "whose assets are frozen" and "who owes the interest on the outstanding loans" ? Abramovich is not going to use his assets to pay the debts of the Russian state ...

The precedent however would be dangerous because when the time comes when the loan(s) need to be repayed in full this could dramatically reduce Russia's foreign assets.

These foreign assets are a guarantee and represent a substantial part of Russia's total assets, so when the assets in the west are reduced then Russia overal becomes poorer. Economists, even Russian economists, will explain that is a no-no ...

Not paying is the worst because that would send Russia's credit rating through the bottom of the barrel. So Russia must seek a solution, and Rubles is not a valid international monetary instrument.

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Hello Ward!

[...] and
Rubles is not a valid international monetary instrument.

Putin has successfully transformed the Ruble into rubble.

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���ண� �६�窠, Ward Dossche.
�� ��ᠫ� 17.03.22 8:57:

... Not paying is the

worst because that would send Russia's credit rating through the
bottom of the barrel. So Russia must seek a solution, and Rubles
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Lower, declare default. There is enough popcorn in Russia, we are waiting for spectacles!

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Lower, declare default. There is enough popcorn in Russia, we are waiting for spectacles!

You could use them ...

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Hello, alexander!

Thursday March 17 2022 08:54, you wrote to me:

���६����� ��ࠨ�� 楫���� � ��������� �뫠 ᮧ���� ���ᨥ�,
�筥�, ����襢���᪮�, ����㭨���᪮� ���ᨥ�

"Modern Ukraine was created by the communist Russia".

Yes, but it's a fake. Putin is lying.

where have you seen "Ukraine has no right to exist"? ;=) Why do you
tell so obvious fake?

"����� �������� � ⮬, �� ��ࠨ��, �� ���, ������� �� ����� ��⮩稢�� �ࠤ�樨 ᢮�� ��������� ���㤠��⢥�����, � ��稭�� � 1991 ���� ��諠 �� ��� ��堭��᪮�� ���쪨஢���� �㦨� �������, ��ࢠ���� ��� �� ���ਨ, ⠪ � �� �ࠨ�᪨� ॠ���"

From the text from my link. Putin already annexed Crimea and create DNR/LNR, now he is trying to take more.

And in Moscow region at least. 20 million people.

No, only in Moscow. Not in Moscow region.

I live Moscow region, 75 km from Moscow, and I can watch Euronews perfectly well.

In my home city of Kemerovo it's not available. I just checked and it looks like that 3rd multiplex is still in test stage.
So it's a bug, not a feature.

And TV Rain + Echo of Moscow were banned in recent days, the only alternative public Media in Russia that were still able to operate.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Thursday March 17 2022 08:57, you wrote to me:

We had military conflicts between India and Pakistan,
they both had nuclear weapons.

Happily there was a draw then. There were not reasons to
use it.

So you are agree that you were not right? :)

Russia has no reason to use nukes unless struck heavily. The same was

You mean - Putin? Because Russia is not Putin. And he is crazy enough.



Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Thursday March 17 2022 08:59, you wrote to me:

About 50% of Russians want war. Do you need link about that?

But you have to agree that reasons for a war are different and a war
can be just?

Do you think that destruction of Mariupol is ok? This is what you are trying to tell me?

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Thursday March 17 2022 09:03, you wrote to me:

I have many friends in Ukraine and they have no problems with
using Russian language. When you've visited Ukraine? Never?:)

The Language law has be implemented to 2024. For a while many didn't
feel it well.

So you are just guessing that they won't be ok? At the moment they are hate our country because some of their relatives were killed :(
So we killed them because we wanted to protect Russian language?!

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, Oleg!

Thursday March 17 2022 16:09, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

Lower, declare default. There is enough popcorn in Russia, we are
waiting for spectacles!

With rubble that is down 100% and with black market for dollars and euros? Wow.



Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Thursday March 17 2022 09:37, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

Both sides carry the responsibility for the situation -- that why

No, Russia invaded Ukraine and killing it's citizens in big numbers. Even in Russia most of high state officals were shure that war won't be started.
It was just Putin's decision.

Ah, sorry, I forgot -- you are prohibited to read Russian
news. ;-) You live in a "free" country.

We are not prohibited to read Russian news. That's silly.

Well, you are not prohibited -- you are just not allowed. ;-) All
Russian media has blocked and jammed in your free world.

No, it's fake. They can open any Russian website and read the news from out State's perspective.

You are lying again.

Best regards,
dp.

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���ண� �६�窠, Dmitry Protasoff.
�� ��ᠫ� 18.03.22 0:24:

With rubble that is down 100% and with black market for dollars
and euros? Wow.

How would you explain, in Russian? Most in Russia are looking forward to the dollar exchange rate of 500 to the ruble to get rid of dollars, euros and other Western candy wrappers. Someone diversifies the currency basket into yuan, gold and other metals, as well as into rupees and even dongs ;) no one wants to deal with the dollar. The rate is artificially kept by the state, the real rate is now much lower. Well, why the hell did the currency rest, which cannot be spent? Chinese brothers damn it, they dont take it anymore!

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Hello, Oleg!

Friday March 18 2022 01:00, you wrote to me:

How would you explain, in Russian? Most in Russia are looking forward
to the dollar exchange rate of 500 to the ruble to get rid of dollars, euros and other Western candy wrappers. Someone diversifies the

All my friends are looking for relocation, because it's very difficult to live in country with zero predictable future.

currency basket into yuan, gold and other metals, as well as into
rupees and even dongs ;) no one wants to deal with the dollar. The

I am ready to buy dollars any time. Do you have any? Official rate, cash.

rate is artificially kept by the state, the real rate is now much
lower. Well, why the hell did the currency rest, which cannot be
spent? Chinese brothers damn it, they dont take it anymore!

Prices on aliexpress now are calculated to rubbles with 170/1 rate from dollar.


Best regards,
dp.

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BY: Alan Ianson(1:153/757)

Dull ram before the new gate? Both nations in Ukraine?

What are you talking about? There are not both nations in Ukraine, there
is just Ukraine.

There are bilingual nations such as Canada or even Switzerland. They could print their documents in RUssian and Ukranian and people across the land will be happy.


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Please don't get the idea that I don't like you or Russian people. It is Putin and men like him that I don't like, regardless of the country they

I appreciate the efforts Russian people did for Fidonet and its related techologies. Its just their leader is severely authoritarian. It would be like Biden arresting anti-abortion protesters at the nations capitol.


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Ok. Russia intervened because of the bloodshed and ethnic cleansing of Russian by Ukraine. What is the difference?

No Oleg, Russia invaded a peaceful sovereign state. That is the difference.

Even Russians are leaving now in large numbers according to Time.

https://youtu.be/mvBYUypKVk0

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There are bilingual nations such as Canada or even Switzerland. They could print their documents in RUssian and Ukranian and people across the land will be happy.

Yes, in Canada you can get gov't publications in english or french and in many cases other languages also.

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I appreciate the efforts Russian people did for Fidonet and its related techologies. Its just their leader is severely authoritarian. It would be like Biden arresting anti-abortion protesters at the nations capitol.

This is Putin's war. I don't think many in Russia today are happy to be the aggressor in a war with Ukraine.

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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 17.03.2022 10:36

ak>>> All Russian media has blocked and jammed in your free
ak>>> world.
AI> That is on it's way to you, the Russian reader. Nothing is
AI> blocked or jammed here in the free world.

You are lying or don't know what are speaking about

https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/02/eu-rt-sputnik-ban-live/

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/27/foxtel-cuts-broadcast-of-kremlin-backed-rt-channel-in-australia

https://www.vulture.com/2022/03/youtube-tiktok-meta-block-russia-owned-rt.html

And no wonder. I saw on Russian TV US congressmen clapping wildly to the Zelensky's speech -- the man who for years did only those things in
Donbass which led the conflict to escalation. Faugh!

Bye, Alan!
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 17.03.2022 10:34

ak>> If you are interested in the Ukraine events you should
ak>> learn what Russia says also. Ah, sorry, I forgot -- you are
ak>> prohibited to read Russian news. ;-) You live in a "free"
ak>> country.
WD> On the countrary. We got Putin's news broadcast/TV-speech too
WD> and this must be the largest des-information effort in the
WD> world's history. When a people has been lied-to the way that
WD> Putin is lying to and des-informing his compatriots then the total
WD> destruction and annihilation of Ukraine as it is happening now is
WD> explained...

Putins's speeches and news are different things. It is complete wrong to
claim that all things that Russian media speaks are a lie. It is your head.

Bye, Ward!
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 17.03.2022 10:39

ak>> You have read poorly -- I wrote that in Canada people ARE
ak>> NOT fined for speaking a wrong language. But in the today
ak>> Ukraine this fucking situation is reality.
WD> I won a law suit in front of the Belgian supreme court against
WD> my employer because he addressed me in the wrong language ...
WD> we solved that in a civil matter ...

I believe the most important thing in such cases is their scale. If you discriminate one person you can ran with it, but, not millions of people.

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 17.03.2022 10:53

ak>> Both sides carry the responsibility for the situation --
ak>> that why neither of them say the truth only. Western media
ak>> translates only the Ukrainian version of events.
WD> There are tens of western journalists independantly covering
WD> the news with their own camera crews ... the Ukrainians have
WD> other priorities to attend to.

They don't report on both sides. That's why they can be squint-eyed.
And, besides, Ukrainian nationalists would make their faces smashed if
they dare to say anything positive about Russians. It is true even in
case they would want to report some true things.

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 17.03.2022 10:57

ak>> Can Russia pay his check saying "take the money from the
ak>> frozen actives if you want to get money"?
WD> I think that's possible but the question is "whose assets are
WD> frozen" and "who owes the interest on the outstanding loans" ?
WD> Abramovich is not going to use his assets to pay the debts of
WD> the Russian state ... The precedent however would be dangerous
WD> because when the time comes when the loan(s) need to be repayed
WD> in full this could dramatically reduce Russia's foreign assets. These
WD> foreign assets are a guarantee and represent a substantial part of
WD> Russia's total assets, so when the assets in the west are reduced then
WD> Russia overal becomes poorer. Economists, even Russian economists,
will
WD> explain that is a no-no ... Not paying is the worst because that would
WD> send Russia's credit rating through the bottom of the barrel. So
Russia
WD> must seek a solution, and Rubles is not a valid international monetary
WD> instrument.

I heard that until May Russia can pay any debts from their actives
abroad. Nobody interested in the default. And Russia has small debt obligations AFAIK.

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 18.03.2022 00:03

DP>>> ���६����� ��ࠨ�� 楫���� � ��������� �뫠 ᮧ����
DP>>> ���ᨥ�, �筥�, ����襢���᪮�, ����㭨���᪮�
DP>>> ���ᨥ�
ak>> "Modern Ukraine was created by the communist Russia".
DP> Yes, but it's a fake. Putin is lying.
ak>> where have you seen "Ukraine has no right to exist"? ;=)
ak>> Why do you tell so obvious fake?
DP> "����� �������� � ⮬, �� ��ࠨ��, �� ���, ������� �� �����
DP> ��⮩稢�� �ࠤ�樨 ᢮�� ��������� ���㤠��⢥�����, �
DP> ��稭�� � 1991 ���� ��諠 �� ��� ��堭��᪮�� ���쪨஢����
DP> �㦨� �������, ��ࢠ���� ��� �� ���ਨ, ⠪ � �� �ࠨ�᪨� ॠ���"
DP> From the text from my link. Putin already annexed Crimea and create
DP> DNR/LNR, now he is trying to take more.

You could just admit that Putin has never told that "Ukraine has no
right to exists". A lie for the sake of truth is a well know thing, but nevertheless....

PS: The next thing of this kind from the Ukraine side, I believe, will
be a canister with chlorine blown in a Kiev kindergarten.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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You are lying or don't know what are speaking about

No lie.

https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/02/eu-rt-sputnik-ban-live/

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/27/foxtel-cuts-broadcast-o
-kremlin-backed-rt-channel-in-australia

https://www.vulture.com/2022/03/youtube-tiktok-meta-block-russia-owned-rt.html

RT is not news. It is propaganda. There is much of that here and it makes it hard to find real news and facts. I have not been reading sputnik but I'll assume it was also propaganda. I will not miss any of it.

And no wonder. I saw on Russian TV US congressmen clapping wildly to the Zelensky's speech -- the man who for years did only those things in
Donbass which led the conflict to escalation. Faugh!

Does that suprise you also? He got the same treatment a couple days ago when he addressed the Canadian parliament.

I myself have much respect and admiration for Zelensky. He is a great leader. he is a polar opposite to that man names Putin.

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 18.03.2022 00:13

DP>>>>> We had military conflicts between India and
DP>>>>> Pakistan, they both had nuclear weapons.
ak>>>> Happily there was a draw then. There were not
ak>>>> reasons to use it.
DP>>> So you are agree that you were not right?:)
ak>> Russia has no reason to use nukes unless struck heavily.
ak>> The same was
DP> You mean - Putin? Because Russia is not Putin. And he is crazy
DP> enough.

Yes, Putin.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 18.03.2022 00:14

ak>> But you have to agree that reasons for a war are different
ak>> and a war can be just?
DP> Do you think that destruction of Mariupol is ok? This is what
DP> you are trying to tell me?

I have never told it is OK. Civilians who suffer in Donbass, now in
Mariupol etc are poor ones. I said only, many times, that Zelensky has
had a lot of time to solve the Donbass problem peacefully, but he is
under control of nationalists and he is never able to compromise. Hate
was the main compass for the Ukrainian policy towards Donbass.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 18.03.2022 00:16

DP>>> I have many friends in Ukraine and they have no
DP>>> problems with using Russian language. When you've
DP>>> visited Ukraine? Never?:)
ak>> The Language law has be implemented to 2024. For a while
ak>> many didn't feel it well.
DP> So you are just guessing that they won't be ok? At the moment
DP> they are hate our country because some of their relatives were
DP> killed:( So we killed them because we wanted to protect Russian
DP> language?!

It is a good example how idiots can create a big chaos without even a
good reason. But surely it is obvious who triggered the events. And I
said it many times.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 18.03.2022 07:19

??>>> I appreciate the efforts Russian people did for Fidonet
??>>> and its related
??>> techologies. Its just their leader is severely
??>> authoritarian. It would be like Biden arresting
??>> anti-abortion protesters at the nations capitol.
AI> This is Putin's war. I don't think many in Russia today are
AI> happy to be the aggressor in a war with Ukraine.

It is wrong in any case to speak about Russia's happiness. But you
should understand why most Russians support Putin -- Putin's stance has
too much truth in relation of Donbass, and it why his propaganda is so
strong.

Bye, Alan!
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It is a good example how idiots can create a big chaos without even a
good reason.

This is exactly what is happening in Ukraine today. Idiots creating chaos.

But surely it is obvious who triggered the events. And I said it many times.

Yes, over and over again.

Russian tanks and artillery in Ukraine teritory doing what tanks and artillery do best.

Russia has no business in Ukraine.

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It is wrong in any case to speak about Russia's happiness. But you
should understand why most Russians support Putin -- Putin's stance has
too much truth in relation of Donbass, and it why his propaganda is so strong.

Putin's propaganda is lies and more lies on top of lies.

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I believe the most important thing in such cases is their scale. If you discriminate one person you can ran with it, but, not millions of people.

Actually, technically, that may be correct, but mr.Putin invented some new truths ...

There used to be a saying "You can fool some of the people, some of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time" ... Putin changed that ... at least he thinks he did, maybe he even believes himself, but at some point this will return like a boomerang in his face and he will not be burried alongside Lenin ...

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I heard that until May Russia can pay any debts from their actives
abroad. Nobody interested in the default. And Russia has small debt obligations AFAIK.

That is somewhat correct with the following observations ...

1) The Russian assets are frozen. Hence they cannot be used to pay even if they're there. Remember what happened to Greece? They defaulted their loans, credit rating went down, could not draw money from the international market ... but there's a system here with the ECB (European Central Bank) which helped them and they're doing OK now. The ECB is not going to help Russia.

2) Russia and Russian enterprises have huge international debts but you're confusing with the national debt which is only 19% of the GDP, which in itself is good. That will now quickly and dramatically change into a deathly economic spiral for which Putin will blame the West while it is nothing other than his own doing ...

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There are tens of western journalists independantly covering
the news with their own camera crews ... the Ukrainians have
other priorities to attend to.

They don't report on both sides. That's why they can be squint-eyed.
And, besides, Ukrainian nationalists would make their faces smashed if
they dare to say anything positive about Russians. It is true even in
case they would want to report some true things.

We've had news teams in the Donbass area as well as in the rest of Ukraine and the thing was clear that the ordinary people in Donbass are not interested in that conflict nor in separation. They want to quietly live in peace. Donbass is nothing else but a carefully planned event in a series of events, such as re-taking the Crimea, to test the resolve of the west in dealing with it and then strike.

The amount of lying by a central government, manipulation of facts, distortion of truths, deep-fake videos, propaganda, killing the newsservices, killing free speech, killing the free press is unheard of in World history, even in the 20th century history this is not encountered, even hard-core Communism was better...

Kudos to the St.Peterburg troll factory...

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Putins's speeches and news are different things. It is complete wrong to claim that all things that Russian media speaks are a lie.

That is correct, I assume there is also weather news.

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Alexander,

... Putin's stance has too much truth in relation of Donbass, and it why his propaganda is so strong.

---------------------------

Such a confession should be enough to end all discussions with you ...

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Hello Alan,

It is wrong in any case to speak about Russia's happiness. But you
should understand why most Russians support Putin -- Putin's stance has
too much truth in relation of Donbass, and it why his propaganda is so
strong.

Putin's propaganda is lies and more lies on top of lies.

Amazing. And to think his nose did not grow an inch.

--Lee

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Hello Ward,

I believe the most important thing in such cases is their scale. If you
discriminate one person you can ran with it, but, not millions of people.

Actually, technically, that may be correct, but mr.Putin invented some new truths ...

There used to be a saying "You can fool some of the people, some of the time
but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time" ... Putin changed that ... at least he thinks he did, maybe he even believes himself, but at some point this will return like a boomerang in his face and he will not be
burried alongside Lenin ...

Of course not. His mummified remains will be on display for all to
see. Just like Lenin.

--Lee

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Hello Ward,

You know very little of the history of Nazism (in Germany in the 1940s).
The Jewish clown Zelensky is the embodiment of the rainbow dreams of the
organizers of the Nazi movement.

Oh my dear ... I don't think in my Fido-years I've ever seen some make such
a fool of himself in public.

Quite entertaining, keep it up.

My sincerest apologies. The caliber of his posts are not in the same
ballpark as mine. Not even in the same league. In fact, his post(s) may
have surpassed those made by the one who shall not be named ...

--Lee

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Hello Matt!

16 Mar 22 20:55, Matt Munson wrote to Alan Ianson:

There are bilingual nations such as Canada or even Switzerland.

Switzerland even has four <sic!> official languages: German, French, Italian and Romansh.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello Ward!

18 Mar 22 08:15, Ward Dossche wrote to alexander koryagin:

There used to be a saying "You can fool some of the people, some of
the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time" ...

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time".

Usually attributed to Abraham Lincoln: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln#Attributed


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello alexander!

17 Mar 22 09:37, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 17.03.2022 09:06

If you are interested in the Ukraine events you should
learn what Russia says also.

Why should we learn what Russia says also? Russia is not
reporting truthfully about Russia or Ukraine.

Both sides carry the responsibility for the situation -- that why
neither of them say the truth only. Western media translates only the Ukrainian version of events.

Ah, sorry, I forgot -- you are prohibited to read Russian
news. ;-) You live in a "free" country.

We are not prohibited to read Russian news. That's silly.

Well, you are not prohibited -- you are just not allowed. ;-) All
Russian media has blocked and jammed in your free world.

tass.com
themoscowtimes.com
sputniknews.com


Those are all reachable. They're probably also the sites telling you that we are "blocked" from reading them here in the USA.





Mike


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Good day, Gerrit Kuehn.

16 Mar 22 20:55, Matt Munson wrote to Alan
Ianson:

There are bilingual nations such as Canada
or even Switzerland.

Switzerland even has four <sic!> official
languages: German, French, Italian and
Romansh.

How would you react to the situation if heavily armed Romanians carried out a coup d'tat in Switzerland and began to oppress the German-speaking population, legally banning the use of the German language in all forms, with criminal prosecution in the form of lynching?
The answer "this cannot happen" is not accepted. Maybe. And it happened in history.

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16 Mar 22 20:55, Matt Munson wrote to Alan
Ianson:

There are bilingual nations such as Canada
or even Switzerland.

Switzerland even has four <sic!> official
languages: German, French, Italian and
Romansh.

How would you react to the situation if heavily armed Romanians
carried out a coup d'tat in Switzerland and began to oppress the
German-speaking population, legally banning the use of the German
language in all forms, with criminal prosecution in the form of
lynching? The answer "this cannot happen" is not accepted. Maybe. ON>And

it happened in history.

There are two countries in Europe that Adolf Hitler chose not
to invade. Or even threaten to invade. Those two countries are
Switzerland and Turkey.

The reasons why are very easy to understand. Switzerland is the
most militant country in Europe, with almost every citizen armed
and trained. And Turkey was where the Crusaders got stopped cold.

Romania is where Vlad II was from. A hero to his countrymen, known affectionately by them as Vlad the Impaler, but he was no relation
to the other Vlad in Russia.

--Lee

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���ண� �६�窠, Lee Lofaso.
�� ��ᠫ� 19.03.22 13:34:

it happened in history.

There are two countries in Europe that Adolf
Hitler chose not to invade. Or even threaten
to invade. Those two countries are
Switzerland and Turkey. The reasons why are
very easy to understand. Switzerland is the
most militant country in Europe, with almost
every citizen armed and trained. And Turkey
was where the Crusaders got stopped cold.

Let's face it, shall we? In 1940, Switzerland concluded an agreement with Hitler for the transit of Nazi cargo and, in addition, provided a loan of 150 million Swiss francs. Well, plus the obligation to sell gold for Reichsmarks. And so it is of course "neutrality" and solid Heroes.


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Hello, alexander!

Friday March 18 2022 09:19, you wrote to me:

You could just admit that Putin has never told that "Ukraine has no
right to exists". A lie for the sake of truth is a well know thing,
but nevertheless....

Looks like you don't unserstand Russian and live in some dream reality.
Putin announced that Ukraine in an artificial state, took part of it's territory and our state TV shows every day that most of the Ukraine is some "donations" from Russia.
Is it a right to exist?

PS: The next thing of this kind from the Ukraine side, I believe, will

be a canister with chlorine blown in a Kiev kindergarten.

Putin lied that he won't start a war. Lied for many months.
And now you are blaming Ukranians?
Who told you about chlorine? Russian TV?

Many years ago RT did a report about me (video is already offline, but some traces on their site could be found even today).
It was 50% fake. They some facts and created fake picture.
So I speak from personal expirience.


Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Friday March 18 2022 09:20, you wrote to me:

You mean - Putin? Because Russia is not Putin. And he is crazy
enough.

Yes, Putin.

Russia is not Putin. Putin will die and will drink some vodka with our friends from Ukraine after his death :)

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Friday March 18 2022 09:28, you wrote to me:

I have never told it is OK. Civilians who suffer in Donbass, now in Mariupol etc are poor ones. I said only, many times, that Zelensky has

They will hate us forever. You for sure.

had a lot of time to solve the Donbass problem peacefully, but he is

It was impossible because Putin created war in Donbass to keep it alive as long he wants.

under control of nationalists and he is never able to compromise. Hate

In Azov (which was the most blamed army unit on Russian TV) they have only 800 people. Only 800! We have more people killed in Mariupol already.
Putin decided to destory cities with civil population in Ukraine because of 800 people in 1 military unit??


Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Friday March 18 2022 09:38, you wrote to me:

So you are just guessing that they won't be ok? At the moment
they are hate our country because some of their relatives were
killed:( So we killed them because we wanted to protect Russian
language?!

It is a good example how idiots can create a big chaos without even a

Yes, Putin is not smart enough. Just some KGB guy who managed to become president but he is still very limited.

good reason. But surely it is obvious who triggered the events. And I
said it many times.

Putin.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, oleg!

Saturday March 19 2022 16:34, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

Let's face it, shall we? In 1940, Switzerland concluded an agreement
with Hitler for the transit of Nazi cargo and, in addition, provided a loan of 150 million Swiss francs. Well, plus the obligation to sell
gold for Reichsmarks. And so it is of course "neutrality" and solid Heroes.

Russia was sending trains with supplies to Germany until 22.06.1941. And Germany was not even paying for them!
Switzerland never provided any 150 mln fancs loan to Nazi Germany.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello Oleg,

it happened in history.

There are two countries in Europe that Adolf
Hitler chose not to invade. Or even threaten
to invade. Those two countries are
Switzerland and Turkey. The reasons why are
very easy to understand. Switzerland is the
most militant country in Europe, with almost
every citizen armed and trained. And Turkey
was where the Crusaders got stopped cold.

Let's face it, shall we? In 1940, Switzerland concluded an agreement with Hitler for the transit of Nazi cargo and, in addition, provided a loan of 150 million Swiss francs. Well, plus the obligation to sell gold for Reichsmarks. And so it is of course "neutrality" and solid Heroes.

Please. Know your history -

from Wikipedia -

The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was a non-aggression pact between Nazi
Germany and the Soviet Union that enabled those two powers to partition
Poland between them. The pact was signed in Moscow on 23 August 1939 by
German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop and Soviet Foreign
Minister Vyacheslav Molotov[1] and was officially known as the Treaty
of Non-Aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.[2][3] Unofficially, it has also been referred to as the Hitler–Stalin Pact,[4][5] Nazi–Soviet Pact[6] or Nazi–Soviet Alliance
[7] (although it was not a formal alliance).[8][9]

Its clauses provided a written guarantee of peace by each party towards
the other and a commitment that declared that neither government would
ally itself to or aid an enemy of the other.

[note - what dear friends Hitler and Stalin were during those days]

In addition to the publicly-announced stipulations of non-aggression,
the treaty included the Secret Protocol, which defined the borders of
Soviet and German spheres of influence across Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland. The secret protocol also recognised the interest
of Lithuania in the Vilnius region, and Germany declared its complete disinterest in Bessarabia. The rumour of the existence of the Secret
Protocol was proved only when it was made public during the Nuremberg Trials.[10]

[note - Germany invaded Poland on 1 September 1939]
[note - Soviets invaded Poland on 17 September 1939]

We all know such non-aggression pacts meant nothing to Adolf Hitler.
So why did he choose to continue eastward, and spare Switzerland and
Turkey from the same fate? The only thing that saved the former USSR
was the same thing that doomed Napoleon.

--Lee

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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 18.03.2022 09:00

AI> RT is not news. It is propaganda. There is much of that here and it
AI> makes it hard to find real news and facts. I have not been reading
AI> sputnik but I'll assume it was also propaganda. I will not miss any
AI> of it.

I said again -- it is completely wrong to say that Russian media under
Putin control tells a lie only. I have already told you a Russian saying "Strength is in the truth". Putin's propaganda is based on many real
facts and events. Yes it contains many lies, but it also contains much
truth. And you voluntarily deprive yourself from this big part of the
truth. And your position became biased.

You can trust Russian media for instance that even today corpses in
Donensk from Ukraine shells and missles appear every day. You can hear
how witnesses tell that nationalist block them from being evacuated etc.
You can learn many things to make your understanding more balanced.

But Russian media are blocked and you hear only those thing they allow
you to.

ak>> And no wonder. I saw on Russian TV US congressmen clapping wildly
ak>> to the Zelensky's speech -- the man who for years did only those
ak>> things in Donbass which led the conflict to escalation. Faugh!

AI> Does that suprise you also? He got the same treatment a couple days
AI> ago when he addressed the Canadian parliament.

AI> I myself have much respect and admiration for Zelensky. He is a
AI> great leader. he is a polar opposite to that man names Putin.

He is a professional actor, a professional clown, and he knows very well
how to work with public. But exactly his unwillingness to solve the
Dobbass problem for so many years and his policy towards the conflict escalation has led to the present day situation. Very much blood lies on
the Zelensky hands.

Bye, Alan!
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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 18.03.2022 10:33

AI> Russian tanks and artillery in Ukraine teritory doing what
AI> tanks and artillery do best. Russia has no business in Ukraine.

Probably Russia saw a good example in face of the US who does everything
it wants in every part of the world, and asks nobody's permission. In
other words the real situation is the following -- if you are strong you
can do what a weak cannot do. Weak parties should think twice or more
before teasing the beast with a bunch of nukes under his belt, who in
addition is next to them. Nationalists in Ukraine, if they were not so
idiots, should have calculated what their policy of forceful
ukrainizaion can lead their country.

Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 18.03.2022 10:50

ak>> I heard that until May Russia can pay any debts from their
ak>> actives abroad. Nobody interested in the default. And
ak>> Russia has small debt obligations AFAIK.
WD> That is somewhat correct with the following observations ...
WD> 1) The Russian assets are frozen. Hence they cannot be used to
WD> pay even if they're there. Remember what happened to Greece?
WD> They defaulted their loans, credit rating went down, could not draw
WD> money from the international market ... but there's a system here with
WD> the ECB (European Central Bank) which helped them and they're doing OK
WD> now. The ECB is not going to help Russia.

Russia has paid https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/16/investing/russian-debt-payments/index.html

Another question is -- will the creditors in the US, for instance, get
their money. But it is probably is not a Russia's buisness?

Bye, Ward!
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 18.03.2022 11:00

ak>> They don't report on both sides. That's why they can be
ak>> squint-eyed. And, besides, Ukrainian nationalists would
ak>> make their faces smashed if they dare to say anything
ak>> positive about Russians. It is true even in case they would
ak>> want to report some true things.
WD> We've had news teams in the Donbass area as well as in the rest
WD> of Ukraine and the thing was clear that the ordinary people in
WD> Donbass are not interested in that conflict nor in separation. They
WD> want to quietly live in peace. Donbass is nothing else but a carefully
WD> planned event in a series of events, such as re-taking the Crimea, to
WD> test the resolve of the west in dealing with it and then
WD> strike.

Do you think that somebody in Ukraine will tell good about Russia to the reporter surrounded by a pack of Ukrainian nationalists? ;=)

PS: as for the troll factory you were missed.

Bye, Ward!
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 18.03.2022 11:08

ak>> Putins's speeches and news are different things. It is
ak>> complete wrong to claim that all things that Russian media
ak>> speaks are a lie.
WD> That is correct, I assume there is also weather news.

It is in your head. (c)

Bye, Ward!
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 18.03.2022 11:13

ak>> ... Putin's stance has too much truth in relation of
ak>> Donbass, and it why his propaganda is so strong.
WD> ---------------------------
WD> Such a confession should be enough to end all discussions with
WD> you ...

If you don't understand mywords -- any false and bad ideas can be
disguised in the good.

Bye, Ward!
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RT is not news. It is propaganda. There is much of that here and it
makes it hard to find real news and facts. I have not been reading
sputnik but I'll assume it was also propaganda. I will not miss any
of it.

I said again -- it is completely wrong to say that Russian media under
Putin control tells a lie only. I have already told you a Russian saying "Strength is in the truth".

I agree.

Putin's propaganda is based on many real facts and events.

Here's a real fact and event. Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24 2022. It has since then attacked the country as a whole and done vast amounts of damage and killed and injured many (I can't be sure of the actual numbers). More than 3,300,000 refugees, 600,000 displaced people.

The above is truth, fact. How does that compare to what you get on state media?

Yes it contains many lies, but it also contains much truth. And you voluntarily deprive yourself from this big part of the truth. And your position became biased.

I have to turn it off because I know it contains lies and I don't want to travel that road.

You can trust Russian media for instance that even today corpses in
Donensk from Ukraine shells and missles appear every day. You can hear
how witnesses tell that nationalist block them from being evacuated etc.
You can learn many things to make your understanding more balanced.

The lies just don't balance.

It's unfortunate that people do speak lies at times when they want to cover up what they are really doing or have done or will do.

You just can't trust a liar.

But Russian media are blocked and you hear only those thing they allow
you to.

No, I can read Russian media when I want to do that.

Does that suprise you also? He got the same treatment a couple days
ago when he addressed the Canadian parliament.

I myself have much respect and admiration for Zelensky. He is a
great leader. he is a polar opposite to that man names Putin.

He is a professional actor, a professional clown, and he knows very well
how to work with public. But exactly his unwillingness to solve the
Dobbass problem for so many years and his policy towards the conflict escalation has led to the present day situation. Very much blood lies on
the Zelensky hands.

Did Zelensky create the problems in the Donbass?

Russia (or Putin) supported the separatists in the Donbass for his own reasons. Not because he cared about Russian speakers that he is killing today the same as Ukraininan speakers.

The blood for this war in on Putins hands and those military leaders who started and continue the war.

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Probably Russia saw a good example in face of the US who does everything
it wants in every part of the world, and asks nobody's permission. In
other words the real situation is the following -- if you are strong you
can do what a weak cannot do. Weak parties should think twice or more
before teasing the beast with a bunch of nukes under his belt,

This is fascism.

If your brother/friend struggles will you stand up and help him in some way? That is strength.

Stepping on someone weaker than you is weakness.

who in addition is next to them. Nationalists in Ukraine, if they were not
so idiots, should have calculated what their policy of forceful ukrainizaion can lead their country.

Ukrainization?

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Do you think that somebody in Ukraine will tell good about Russia to the reporter surrounded by a pack of Ukrainian nationalists? ;=)

When Putin croaks, nobody in Ukraine will mind that a reporter reports on it.

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 20.03.2022 00:13

DP> Putin lied that he won't start a war. Lied for many months.
DP> And now you are blaming Ukranians?

Don't tell me a fairy tale that the Ukrainians tell only the truth.

DP> Who told you about chlorine? Russian TV?

The false canister with chlorine was in Syria and many bit it, and Syria
was bombed. Then reporters found all the actors of the story, "victims" including. Taking in account numerous accusations that Russia uses
chemicals to kill such a scenario is very likely and expected.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hello Alexander,

[..]

I myself have much respect and admiration for Zelensky. He is a
great leader. he is a polar opposite to that man names Putin.

He is a professional actor, a professional clown, and he knows very well how to work with public. But exactly his unwillingness to solve the Dobbass problem for so many years and his policy towards the conflict escalation has led to the present day situation. Very much blood lies on the Zelensky hands.

There are some in the USA who hold that view, such as Tucker Carlton
and some of his colleagues on Fox News. As well as Donald Trump, who
apparently is still madly in love with Vladimir Putin (and Little
Rocket Man). But other than them, Z is a hero to all.

--Lee

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Hello, alexander!

Sunday March 20 2022 20:55, you wrote to me:

Putin lied that he won't start a war. Lied for many months.
And now you are blaming Ukranians?

Don't tell me a fairy tale that the Ukrainians tell only the truth.

I am telling you Putin is a lier.

Who told you about chlorine? Russian TV?

The false canister with chlorine was in Syria and many bit it, and

Syria had and used chemical weapons, thats the truth. The same as did Iraq. They were both ruled, in fact, by very similar people - BAATH Party.

Syria was bombed. Then reporters found all the actors of the story, "victims" including. Taking in account numerous accusations that
Russia uses chemicals to kill such a scenario is very likely and
expected.

Putin's assassins used Novichok agent against it's own citizens. That's so sad :(

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Sunday March 20 2022 11:29, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

I said again -- it is completely wrong to say that Russian media under
Putin control tells a lie only. I have already told you a Russian
saying "Strength is in the truth". Putin's propaganda is based on many

No, it was Ghandi who used Satyagraha (truth-force) as his main political idea:

"Its root meaning is holding on to truth, hence truth-force. I have also called it love-force or soul-force. In the application of satyagraha, I discovered in the earliest stages that pursuit of truth did not admit of violence being inflicted on one's opponent but that he must be weaned from error by patience and compassion. For what appears to be truth to the one may appear to be error to the other. And patience means self-suffering. So the doctrine came to mean vindication of truth, not by infliction of suffering on the opponent, but on oneself"

Russian film director Balabanov just took this slogan and used in Russian film "Brother" where, actually, everyone (!) is lying.
Main protagonist did it form the beginning. Film became popular among young Russians and the slogan from the film started to spread across the country.

But the whole idea was that "truth" was never there, it was full of lies and violence, and both "Brothers" from film were lying to each other.




Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 20.03.2022 12:44

AI>>> RT is not news. It is propaganda. There is much of that here and
AI>>> it makes it hard to find real news and facts. I have not been
AI>>> reading sputnik but I'll assume it was also propaganda. I will
AI>>> not miss any of it.
ak>> I say it again -- it is completely wrong to say that Russian media
ak>> under Putin control tells a lie only. I have already told you a
ak>> Russian saying "Strength is in the truth".
AI> I agree.

ak>> Putin's propaganda is based on many real facts and events.
AI> Here's a real fact and event. Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24
AI> 2022. It has since then attacked the country as a whole and done
AI> vast amounts of damage and killed and injured many (I can't be sure
AI> of the actual numbers). More than 3,300,000 refugees, 600,000
AI> displaced people.

AI> The above is truth, fact. How does that compare to what you get on
AI> state media?

If you want to know the background of the event you must listen both
parties; what they say the reason and history of the conflict. Not
knowing it it is impossible to do adequate conclusions. The Donbass
siege (the core of the events) has been lasting for 8 years and
wonderfully there was no place for it in western media. To be exactly,
it repeated everything that Kiev claimed. Nobody paid attention to 14
thousand people killed in Donbass by Ukrainian troops etc. In short it
was and is a very serious problem, and people of Donbass have suffered greatly.

Doing this invasion Putin in many ways has discredited this suffering
and actually made Russians guilty everywhere, although it is the case.
So I repeat -- don't mix the problem of the civil war in Ukraine with
Putin and his thoughtless actions. The beginning the solving of the
problem should begin from the time when violence started - the spring of
2014.

ak>> Yes it contains many lies, but it also contains much truth. And
ak>> you voluntarily deprive yourself from this big part of the truth.
ak>> And your position became biased.

AI> I have to turn it off because I know it contains lies and I don't
AI> want to travel that road.

Everything in this world contains lies. Do you remember a fucking
American lie which led to invasion in Iraq and a million killed? At
least Americans know how to lie very well. You can also remember how
they started war in Vietnam, also using a lie.

<skipped>
AI>>> much respect and admiration for Zelensky. He is a great leader.
AI>>> he is a polar opposite to that man names Putin.

ak>> He is a professional actor, a professional clown, and he knows
ak>> very well how to work with public. But exactly his unwillingness
ak>> to solve the Donbass problem for so many years and his policy
ak>> towards the conflict escalation has led to the present day
ak>> situation. Very much blood lies on the Zelensky hands.

AI> Did Zelensky create the problems in the Donbass?

Yes, of course. I have already told you about great Ukrainian suffering,
on the verge of bloody diarrhea -- nor Poroshenko (was before Zelensky)
nor Zelensky could not decide what to do with Donbass -- should they
negotiate with the rebels and make concessions to them or may be Ukraine troops some day will be able to cut their throats. This winter Ukraine
has built up a huge army group in Donbass and it was obvious it was
going to the latter scenario.

AI> Russia (or Putin) supported the separatists in the Donbass for his
AI> own reasons. Not because he cared about Russian speakers that he is
AI> killing today the same as Ukraininan speakers.

AI> The blood for this war in on Putins hands and those military
AI> leaders who started and continue the war.

No, it is not Putin who started it. Al least, we should say that both
parties of the conflict carry their part of the responsibility. But nationalists-idiots were first.

Bye, Alan!
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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 20.03.2022 12:50

ak>> Probably Russia saw a good example in face of the US who does
ak>> everything it wants in every part of the world, and asks nobody's
ak>> permission. In other words the real situation is the following --
ak>> if you are strong you can do what a weak cannot do. Weak parties
ak>> should think twice or more before teasing the beast with a bunch
ak>> of nukes under his belt,

AI> This is fascism.

It's life. Even in a kindergarten the relations between strong and weak
are similar. In addition, the word "fascism" everybody interprets as he wishes, often incorrectly. Fascism is when a small violent group wanted
to make people to do things they order, threatening with reprisals,
physical violence etc. All the opponents are labelled as enemies and
they are subjects for repressions or even elimination. That is what
Ukrainian nationalists started to do in Ukraine.

AI> If your brother/friend struggles will you stand up and help him in
AI> some way? That is strength.

AI> Stepping on someone weaker than you is weakness.

ak>> who in addition is next to them. Nationalists in Ukraine, if they
ak>> were not so idiots, should have calculated what their policy of
ak>> forceful ukrainizaion can lead their country.

AI> Ukrainization?

Yes. Well, just imagine the bilingual Ukraine before 2014 and the
Russian speaking population of its east and south. And one day the power
is captured by the people who issued the orders that Russian language is
not state language any more, that at every office, bar, schools should
used Ukrainian. I said it before you that Ukraine since 20-th century
has been historically divided in two parts. And to preserve the peace
the Kiev policy should be wise and balanced. But what happened after
2014 can be called a national fascism.

PS: I don't deny that in today's Russia is a totalitarian society. So
Russians in Ukraine have had a poor choice.

Bye, Alan!
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 20.03.2022 15:05

ak>> Do you think that somebody in Ukraine will tell good about
ak>> Russia to the reporter surrounded by a pack of Ukrainian
ak>> nationalists? ;=)
WD> When Putin croaks, nobody in Ukraine will mind that a reporter
WD> reports on it.

I meant that a person will had his ass kicked if he says something
different than those spectators are expected from him. ;-)

Bye, Ward!
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Hello, alexander!

Monday March 21 2022 11:04, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

problem should begin from the time when violence started - the spring
of 2014.

When Russian sent groups of fighters to Ukraine.

I have to turn it off because I know it contains lies and I
don't want to travel that road.

Everything in this world contains lies. Do you remember a fucking
American lie which led to invasion in Iraq and a million killed? At

It was not a lie, BTW. All investigation stories tells us that US made a mistake and it was officially recognized.
Putin will never tell you he was wrong.

least Americans know how to lie very well. You can also remember how
they started war in Vietnam, also using a lie.

War in Virtnam started long before americans were involded and it wasn't a lie.

-- should they negotiate with the rebels and make concessions to them

It was impossible to do so because they were and still are under direct control of Russia.
They are just puppets. You do not talk to puppets.

or may be Ukraine troops some day will be able to cut their throats.
This winter Ukraine has built up a huge army group in Donbass and it
was obvious it was going to the latter scenario.

It was obvious that Russia will invade. For Baiden, not for me.
Putin was lying and Baiden ws not.

No, it is not Putin who started it. Al least, we should say that both

Putin annexed Crimea and sent fighters to Eastern Ukraine.
That's the facts.

parties of the conflict carry their part of the responsibility. But nationalists-idiots were first.

The biggest idiot is Putin who is detroying our economy. Even Eltsin was better and smarter.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Monday March 21 2022 11:30, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

That is what Ukrainian nationalists started to do in Ukraine.

This is what Russians are doing in Ukraine right now.

Ukrainization?

Yes. Well, just imagine the bilingual Ukraine before 2014 and the
Russian speaking population of its east and south. And one day the
power is captured by the people who issued the orders that Russian language is not state language any more, that at every office, bar,

Russian language was not a state language in Ukraine, please stop spreading fake information.

schools should used Ukrainian. I said it before you that Ukraine since

Fake news again, current law allows use of Russian language. And I've told many times that Russian laws are even more strict than Ukranians.

20-th century has been historically divided in two parts. And to
preserve the peace the Kiev policy should be wise and balanced. But
what happened after 2014 can be called a national fascism.

Called by who? By Putin who sent forces to make Mariupol a new Stalingrad?

PS: I don't deny that in today's Russia is a totalitarian society. So Russians in Ukraine have had a poor choice.

All my Russian friends in Kiev never had any problems with Russian language - that's the reality.
I was using only Russian language in Ukraine (I've been in Kiev 2 times) without any issues.
But the state language was and is Ukranian. Any public office is expected to provide service in Ukranian.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 20.03.2022 00:23

ak>> good reason. But surely it is obvious who triggered the
ak>> events. And I said it many times.
DP> Putin.

Or maybe it was tongue-tied Yanukovich who could not explain
understandably why he had postponed the association Ukraine with EU? ;-)

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hello, alexander!

Monday March 21 2022 15:29, you wrote to me:

good reason. But surely it is obvious who triggered the
events. And I said it many times.

Putin.

Or maybe it was tongue-tied Yanukovich who could not explain understandably why he had postponed the association Ukraine with EU?
;-)

Ukraine had it's own problems, we had ours. Russia is a poor country, where median income was less than 500 euro.
But Putin decided that it's better to cut some territory from Ukraine instead of doing any major reforms to help our economy.

Without Putin this internal conflict had all chances to be resolved without major events outside of Kiev.

Best regards,
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Hello, alexander!

BTW, Euronews website is now blocked in Russia.

Best regards,
dp.

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Here's a real fact and event. Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24
2022. It has since then attacked the country as a whole and done
vast amounts of damage and killed and injured many (I can't be sure
of the actual numbers). More than 3,300,000 refugees, 600,000
displaced people.

Of course I meant 6,000,000.

The above is truth, fact. How does that compare to what you get on
state media?

If you want to know the background of the event you must listen both
parties; what they say the reason and history of the conflict.

I know the background of the event. The question I asked was "How does that compare to what you get on state media?".

Not knowing it it is impossible to do adequate conclusions. The Donbass
siege (the core of the events) has been lasting for 8 years and
wonderfully there was no place for it in western media. To be exactly,
it repeated everything that Kiev claimed. Nobody paid attention to 14 thousand people killed in Donbass by Ukrainian troops etc. In short it
was and is a very serious problem, and people of Donbass have suffered greatly.

The Donbass siege was carried out by Russia.

Doing this invasion Putin in many ways has discredited this suffering
and actually made Russians guilty everywhere, although it is the case.
So I repeat -- don't mix the problem of the civil war in Ukraine with
Putin and his thoughtless actions. The beginning the solving of the
problem should begin from the time when violence started - the spring of 2014.

I wouldn't call the Donbass issue a civil war. In any case it is a Ukraine issue and needs to be solved by Ukraine.

Everything in this world contains lies.

No, although there are liars in this world.

Do you remember a fucking American lie which led to invasion in Iraq and a million killed? At least Americans know how to lie very well.

Are you talking about all the talk of WMD? Yes, that was a mitake if those who spoke that way believed it. It was a lie if they were lying.

Did Zelensky create the problems in the Donbass?

Yes, of course.

Of course he inherited these issues when he was elected in 2019. He did not create the issues. Russia exploited them then as it does today.

I have already told you about great Ukrainian suffering,
on the verge of bloody diarrhea -- nor Poroshenko (was before Zelensky)
nor Zelensky could not decide what to do with Donbass -- should they negotiate with the rebels and make concessions to them or may be Ukraine troops some day will be able to cut their throats. This winter Ukraine
has built up a huge army group in Donbass and it was obvious it was
going to the latter scenario.

You mean when Russia amassed ~200,000 troops on their border?

The blood for this war in on Putins hands and those military
leaders who started and continue the war.

No, it is not Putin who started it.

It is.

Al least, we should say that both parties of the conflict carry their part
of the responsibility. But nationalists-idiots were first.

Nationalist-idiots in Russia who don't/won't understand that Ukraine is a sovereign nation.

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This is fascism.

It's life.

No, that was fascism.

Even in a kindergarten the relations between strong and weak
are similar. In addition, the word "fascism" everybody interprets as he wishes, often incorrectly. Fascism is when a small violent group wanted
to make people to do things they order, threatening with reprisals,
physical violence etc. All the opponents are labelled as enemies and
they are subjects for repressions or even elimination. That is what
Ukrainian nationalists started to do in Ukraine.

In a comparison between nations Russia is the bigger (by a lot). Does that mean Russia can do as it pleases in Ukraine? Of course not.

Ukrainization?

Yes. Well,

It is more fascism.

just imagine the bilingual Ukraine before 2014 and the
Russian speaking population of its east and south. And one day the power
is captured by the people who issued the orders that Russian language is
not state language any more, that at every office, bar, schools should
used Ukrainian. I said it before you that Ukraine since 20-th century
has been historically divided in two parts. And to preserve the peace
the Kiev policy should be wise and balanced. But what happened after
2014 can be called a national fascism.

I agree, Russia has made a huge mess in Ukraine that I don't think it can untangle itself from at this point.

PS: I don't deny that in today's Russia is a totalitarian society. So Russians in Ukraine have had a poor choice.

I hope that your conclusion is wrong. Your gov't is totalitarian but I hope that Russian society is not and that the Russian people will find a way out of their current situation.

If that is what they want.

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 21.03.2022 11:38

AI>>> I have to turn it off because I know it contains lies and I don't
AI>>> want to travel that road.
ak>> Everything in this world contains lies. Do you remember a fucking
ak>> American lie which led to invasion in Iraq and a million killed?
ak>> At

DP> It was not a lie, BTW. All investigation stories tells us that US
DP> made a mistake and it was officially recognized. Putin will never
DP> tell you he was wrong.

It was a Lie, at the Goebbels' level. As for an investigation, yea,
maybe in some time in Russia also will be some investigation. ;-)

ak>> least Americans know how to lie very well. You can also remember
ak>> how they started war in Vietnam, also using a lie.

DP> War in Virtnam started long before americans were involded and it
DP> wasn't a lie.

The matter is not in the Vietnam war, but in the American invasion and
its false, fabricated pretext.

ak>> -- should they negotiate with the rebels and make concessions to
ak>> them

DP> It was impossible to do so because they were and still are under
DP> direct control of Russia. They are just puppets. You do not talk to
DP> puppets.

You are a strange person -- why Ukraine is not under EU control and its puppet, but Donbass is under Moscow control and its puppet. It is a
wrong conception that if some country is an ally of other country it is necessary call it a puppet.

ak>> or may be Ukraine troops some day will be able to cut their
ak>> throats. This winter Ukraine has built up a huge army group in
ak>> Donbass and it was obvious it was going to the latter scenario.

DP> It was obvious that Russia will invade. For Baiden, not for me.
DP> Putin was lying and Baiden ws not.

It's very probably that Putin's plan was ready two month ago before, and Ukraine was perfectly aware of it. It was pretty much time to solve the Donbass problem and prevent the what was going to happen, or at least to
start doing it. In principal the initial building up of military forces
and manoeuvres near Ukrainian border could be considered as a pressure
on Ukraine, and the leakage was possibly controllable.

ak>> No, it is not Putin who started it. Al least, we should say that
ak>> both

DP> Putin annexed Crimea and sent fighters to Eastern Ukraine. That's
DP> the facts.

I said it many times -- Crimea had fallen on Putin's head by itself, it
just had no other choice. Only nationalists in Kiev could be blamed that
a whole Crimea population had done what they done. Putin just sent some
his green men for some help.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 21.03.2022 11:43

AI>>> Ukrainization?
ak>> Yes. Well, just imagine the bilingual Ukraine before 2014
ak>> and the Russian speaking population of its east and south.
ak>> And one day the power is captured by the people who issued
ak>> the orders that Russian language is not state language any
ak>> more, that at every office, bar,
DP> Russian language was not a state language in Ukraine, please
DP> stop spreading fake information.

I meant a language law called the law "On the principles of the State
language policy" gave the status of regional language to Russian and
other minority languages. It allowed the use of minority languages in
courts, schools and other government institutions in areas of Ukraine
where the national minorities exceed 10% of the population.[3][4] The
law was used mostly in Ukraine's southern and eastern regions, where predominant or significant parts of the population speak Russian as
their first language.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine

It was very logical, and it was crazy for nationalists to cancel the
mentioned law in the Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. It was as if
Canadian Quebec would be restricted in using French.

ak>> schools should used Ukrainian. I said it before you that
ak>> Ukraine since
DP> Fake news again, current law allows use of Russian language.

You just don't know what you are speaking about:

-----Beginning of the citation-----
In April 2019, the Ukrainian parliament voted a new law, the Law on
Supporting the Functioning of the Ukrainian Language as the State
Language [uk; ar]. On 16 June 2019, the law entered into force. The law
made the use of Ukrainian compulsory (totally or within certain quotas)
in the work of some public authorities, in the electoral procedures and political campaigning, in pre-school, school and university education,
in scientific, cultural and sporting activities, in book publishing and
book distribution, in printed mass media, television and radio
broadcasting, in economic and social life (commercial advertising,
public events), in hospitals and nursing homes, and in the activities of political parties and other legal entities (e.g. non-governmental organizations) registered in Ukraine.
----- The end of the citation -----

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday March 22 2022 09:16, you wrote to me:

It was not a lie, BTW. All investigation stories tells us that
US made a mistake and it was officially recognized. Putin will
never tell you he was wrong.

It was a Lie, at the Goebbels' level. As for an investigation, yea,

No,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Report_on_Pre-war_Intelligence_on_Iraq

Check this arctile, it has al required information.

BTW, Stalin was the same level liar as Goebbels, I don't see much difference. So you can call any lie as "Stalin's level lie".

maybe in some time in Russia also will be some investigation. ;-)

Russia is already under investigation by International Criminal Court.

War in Virtnam started long before americans were involded and
it wasn't a lie.

The matter is not in the Vietnam war, but in the American invasion and
its false, fabricated pretext.

How it was fabricated? USA was sending aid to support South Vietnam.

It was impossible to do so because they were and still are under
direct control of Russia. They are just puppets. You do not talk
to puppets.

You are a strange person -- why Ukraine is not under EU control and

Because Zlensky is not a EU citizen and has no direct supervisor in any EU's Secret Service.
FSB was on the ground in DNR/LNR since the beginning of this conflict and had direct control over all local officials.
Even names of FSB officers are well known.

Yiu are strange person if you don't know that.

It was obvious that Russia will invade. For Baiden, not for me.
Putin was lying and Baiden ws not.

It's very probably that Putin's plan was ready two month ago before,
and Ukraine was perfectly aware of it. It was pretty much time to

You are just guessing.

The reality is that Putin cannot be trusted. Even by it's citizens.

I said it many times -- Crimea had fallen on Putin's head by itself,

No, it was a military operation, using Russian army.

it just had no other choice. Only nationalists in Kiev could be blamed that a whole Crimea population had done what they done. Putin just
sent some his green men for some help.

He sent Russian forces to cut Crimea from Ukraine, that's the fact.
Do you need videos to refresh your memories? :)

Best regards,
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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday March 22 2022 09:36, you wrote to me:

Russian language was not a state language in Ukraine, please
stop spreading fake information.

I meant a language law called the law "On the principles of the State language policy" gave the status of regional language to Russian and

But it's not a state language.

other minority languages. It allowed the use of minority languages in courts, schools and other government institutions in areas of Ukraine

And remember, not a single language in Russia has such status.

It was very logical, and it was crazy for nationalists to cancel the mentioned law in the Russian speaking areas of Ukraine. It was as if Canadian Quebec would be restricted in using French.

Quebec's status is in Canadian's Constitution, not the same story was with Ukranian constitution - it had nothing about some special status for Donbass.
And do you think if Russian state will issue some bad law it's ok for Turkey to sent troops here?

Fake news again, current law allows use of Russian language.

You just don't know what you are speaking about:

I know because I've been there (in Kiev) and talk to my friends from Ukraine every single day.

In April 2019, the Ukrainian parliament voted a new law, the Law on Supporting the Functioning of the Ukrainian Language as the State
Language [uk; ar]. On 16 June 2019, the law entered into force. The
law made the use of Ukrainian compulsory (totally or within certain quotas) in the work of some public authorities, in the electoral

Yes, it means that you can use Russian language but have to provide the same level of service in Ukranian.
As in Russia right now. The same law.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 21.03.2022 22:52

DP> Hello, alexander!
DP> BTW, Euronews website is now blocked in Russia.

And TV channel also.
Well, in my opinion it is totally incorrect, and I fully agree with Mask
about necessity for absolute freedom of information. Trying to be
objective, however, I can note that actions to block western media are followed the same same actions towards the Russia state media. An
information war in a full scale.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Tuesday March 22 2022 14:28, you wrote to me:

Well, in my opinion it is totally incorrect, and I fully agree with
Mask about necessity for absolute freedom of information. Trying to be

Mask's Starlink is illegal in Russia.

objective, however, I can note that actions to block western media
are followed the same same actions towards the Russia state media. An information war in a full scale.

No, not a single website of Russian media is blocked in USA or Belgium. Plese check you sources before such incorrect posts.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 22.03.2022 13:41

ak>> maybe in some time in Russia also will be some
ak>> investigation.;-)
DP> Russia is already under investigation by International Criminal
DP> Court.

For instance the US, spat at this court long ago.
I have no time to search it in English, so that's a Russian resource and
the Google translator can easily translate it. https://www.rbc.ru/politics/03/10/2018/5bb5020c9a794748f240995e

DP>>> War in Virtnam started long before americans were
DP>>> involded and it wasn't a lie.
ak>> The matter is not in the Vietnam war, but in the American
ak>> invasion and its false, fabricated pretext.
DP> How it was fabricated? USA was sending aid to support South
DP> Vietnam.

They had made a false attack on a American ship and used it as a pretext
to start the war.

Bye, Dmitry!
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 22.03.2022 13:53

ak>> In April 2019, the Ukrainian parliament voted a new law,
ak>> the Law on Supporting the Functioning of the Ukrainian
ak>> Language as the State Language [uk; ar]. On 16 June 2019,
ak>> the law entered into force. The law made the use of
ak>> Ukrainian compulsory (totally or within certain quotas) in
ak>> the work of some public authorities, in the electoral
DP> Yes, it means that you can use Russian language but have to
DP> provide the same level of service in Ukranian. As in Russia
DP> right now. The same law.

Russia is not a bilingual country as Ukraine. It is not applicable to
Russia.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 22.03.2022 14:30

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DP> Hello, alexander!
DP> Tuesday March 22 2022 14:28, you wrote to me:
ak>> Well, in my opinion it is totally incorrect, and I fully
ak>> agree with Mask about necessity for absolute freedom of
ak>> information. Trying to be
DP> Mask's Starlink is illegal in Russia.

Even with Russian internet VPN browsers help to get any information of
the Internet.

ak>> objective, however, I can note that actions to block
ak>> western media are followed the same same actions towards
ak>> the Russia state media. An information war in a full scale.
DP> No, not a single website of Russian media is blocked in USA or
DP> Belgium. Plese check you sources before such incorrect posts.

https://www.protocol.com/entertainment/rt-ban-roku-apple-directv

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday March 23 2022 10:04, you wrote to me:

Russia is already under investigation by International Criminal
Court.

For instance the US, spat at this court long ago.
I have no time to search it in English, so that's a Russian resource
and the Google translator can easily translate it.

You don't understand: Russia also stopped cooperaton with ICC, but Ukraine is still not.
And that's enough for ICC to start investigation and proceed with trials.

How it was fabricated? USA was sending aid to support South
Vietnam.

They had made a false attack on a American ship and used it as a
pretext to start the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
North Vietnam started attacks on US ship Maddox, the first attach was real, the second was not, Navy failed to provide correct report and president already decided to start the war.

But it doesn't matter much - North Vietnam was sending military units and weapons to South Vietnam long before that.
From 1957 till 1960 more than 1700 South Vietnamese were assasinated because they had some connection to the State.
Viet Cong was operating in South since 1960 and with only one purpose - to lead a war against South and US.

That's why this war started, not because of some ship shooting.
Sure, US is not a nice guy, but this war had purpose and pretext.

Best regards,
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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday March 23 2022 10:06, you wrote to me:

Yes, it means that you can use Russian language but have to
provide the same level of service in Ukranian. As in Russia
right now. The same law.

Russia is not a bilingual country as Ukraine. It is not applicable to Russia.

Some regions of Russia are bilingual (in some of them Russians are minority) but language laws in Russia are very strict.
Russian is the only approved language for any official communications.

Our "Gosuslugi" (E-Government) portal is only in Russian, and the only other language for offical State websites - is English.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hello, alexander!

Wednesday March 23 2022 10:23, you wrote to me:

Mask's Starlink is illegal in Russia.

Even with Russian internet VPN browsers help to get any information of
the Internet.

It's very easy to ban most of the VPNs, the process is already going on.

objective, however, I can note that actions to block
western media are followed the same same actions towards
the Russia state media. An information war in a full scale.

No, not a single website of Russian media is blocked in USA or
Belgium. Plese check you sources before such incorrect posts.

https://www.protocol.com/entertainment/rt-ban-roku-apple-directv

Those are private companies, they are not required to provide service to anyone.
You can still access RT's IP addresses from abroad, so you can open their site, no DPI used in USA to block access to Russian resources.
Anyone can open RuTube and watch any propaganda channel there. Or use Vk.com to read Russian propaganda.



Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Dmitry Protasoff!
I read your message from 23.03.2022 11:22

DP>>> Yes, it means that you can use Russian language but
DP>>> have to provide the same level of service in Ukranian.
DP>>> As in Russia right now. The same law.
ak>> Russia is not a bilingual country as Ukraine. It is not
ak>> applicable to Russia.
DP> Some regions of Russia are bilingual (in some of them Russians
DP> are minority) but language laws in Russia are very strict.
DP> Russian is the only approved language for any official
DP> communications.

Problems are differ from each other by their scale. Small problems
nobody notice.

Bye, Dmitry!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello, alexander!

Thursday March 24 2022 14:39, you wrote to me:

Some regions of Russia are bilingual (in some of them Russians
are minority) but language laws in Russia are very strict.
Russian is the only approved language for any official
communications.

Problems are differ from each other by their scale. Small problems
nobody notice.

It's very difficult protest about almost anything State related in Russia because you'll be jailed or punished by some way.
But for some people it's ok not to notice that.

Best regards,
dp.

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Hi, Alan Ianson!
I read your message from 22.03.2022 08:45

ak>> Not knowing it it is impossible to do adequate conclusions. The
ak>> Donbass siege (the core of the events) has been lasting for 8
ak>> years and wonderfully there was no place for it in western media.
ak>> To be exactly, it repeated everything that Kiev claimed. Nobody
ak>> paid attention to 14 thousand people killed in Donbass by
ak>> Ukrainian troops etc. In short it was and is a very serious
ak>> problem, and people of Donbass have suffered greatly.

AI> The Donbass siege was carried out by Russia.

Just no words and comments. ;-)

Bye, Alan!
Alexander Koryagin
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