On 21/03/2019 05:57, 2:203/2 wrote:

Well, within 24 hours we will know how the transfer from one ISP to another have worked.

In Sweden we can chose whatever electricity provider we want. With
the switch from one to the other, we expect the changeover to be totally smooth, so that we don't lose a single period of electricity. And it works. The new provider simply issues a changeover to the old provider
and the change is done instantly.

I think that the change of electricity supplier is a paper/billing transaction only. The electrical power is still generated by the same entity and delivered via the same wires/cables.

Internet may be delivered via the same wire/cable to the home but the switching equipment at the exchange (whatever it's called these days) is supplied by and connected to the various ISPs.

In Australia we now have a thing called the NBN.

NBN Co Limited is an Australian government-owned corporation tasked to design, build and operate Australia's National Broadband Network as a monopoly wholesale broadband provider. It reports to two shareholder ministers: the Minister for Finance and the Minister for Communications.

All of the various ISPs are just resellers of this NBN product.

As they roll out the NBN via various technologies (I am connected to fixed wireless) the are discontinuing the POTS network. We all get VOIP via our NBN connection.

The last POTS node in Australia changed to NBN recently. There are no more POTS nodes here.

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Internet may be delivered via the same wire/cable to the home but the switching equipment at the exchange (whatever it's called these days) is supplied by and connected to the various ISPs.

It's called a digital subscriber line access multiplexer (DSLAM). And as you might understand my fiber stays connected to the same DSLAM whenever I change ISP, it's remotely controlled.

So there would be absolutely no problem for an ISP to remotely switch off my old ISP and instantaneously connect me via it's server whenever they want to.

Nah, this is a commercial gimmick so that they can discourage customers from going ISP hopping. So and so many months of binding time is OK to recover the cost of equipment that may be "free" when you sign a contract, but once that binding time is over there's no need for an additional 30 day notice, IMHO.



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On 21/03/2019 18:12, 2:203/2 wrote:

Internet may be delivered via the same wire/cable to the home but the
switching equipment at the exchange (whatever it's called these days) is
supplied by and connected to the various ISPs.

It's called a digital subscriber line access multiplexer (DSLAM).
And as you might understand my fiber stays connected to the same DSLAM whenever I change ISP, it's remotely controlled.

I was under the impression that the Australian ISPs had their own ADSL DSLAMs in the various exchanges.

I have read that xxx ISP cannot deliver in a certain area as they do not have a DSLAM at that exchange.

This has most certainly changed with NBN - but not everyone is connected to that yet, it is still being rolled out.

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David

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On 22/03/2019 17:16, Tony Langdon -> David Drummond wrote:

On 03-22-19 13:35, David Drummond wrote to Bj”rn Felten <=-

I was under the impression that the Australian ISPs had their own ADSL
DSLAMs in the various exchanges.

For DSL, a small number have their own DSLAMS, the majority rent space on Telstra and/or Optus DSLAMs. When I was on DSL, it was through a Telstra DSLAM
(only choice) but another ISP.

I have read that xxx ISP cannot deliver in a certain area as they do
not have a DSLAM at that exchange.

Or an arrangement to use Telstra's DSLAMs at a price.

Then surely churning would then be a paper transaction - and doable in no time at all?

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Well, within 24 hours we will know how the transfer from one ISP to another have worked.

In Sweden we can chose whatever electricity provider we want. With the switch from one to the other, we expect the changeover to be totally smooth, so that we don't lose a single period of electricity. And it works. The new provider simply issues a changeover to the old provider and the change is done instantly.

Why it can't work the same for fiber is beyond me. Here the ISPs all have a 30 day notice. I had to ask my old ISP to cancel my account and then inform my new ISP when, after 30 days, the cancellation was going to take place, and then hope that my new ISP will be ready to take over. After a minute, an hour or half a day depending on how alert they are.

If you have VoIP only phones and no email access, it's kinda hard to reach the helpdesk of your new ISP to inform them that it's a go to connect me via their service...



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