Hello Fabio,

In an echo reserved by sysops to gossip amongst themselves about
who or whatever they want, you went on a rampage about freedom of
speech, claiming that such an echo was not good enough for you.

AND YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!

Furthermore, you continued on, citing the injustice this is causing
for your fellow sysop, Bj”rn Felten, current editor of the Fidonews.
Being a stickler for rules, you did not want to upset your fellow
sysops in the "sysops only gossip" echo. On the other hand, you
also wanted all messages posted in the Fidonews to remain on topic.

As you realized, you can't have it both ways. So you decided to
offer a few suggestions.

Since I have been made the main topic in the "sysops only gossip"
echo, then it is only logical that I should be able to have full
read and write privileges to participate in your esteemed gossip
echo.

Therefore, as a means of improving your "sysops only gossip" echo,
you decided (on your own) to ask the Bj”rn Felten, current editor
of the Fidonews, to enforce his own rules.

AND YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!

Since Allen Prunty is no longer able to continue the duties
of moderator of the FN_SYSOP echo, by default Bj”rn Felten resumes
his moderatorship of that same echo.

Since Bj”rn Felten has stated no objection to non-sysops having
read and write access to the FN_SYSOP echo, it is official echo
policy that the FN_SYSOP echo is open to all - not just sysops.

Of course, you are welcome to continue posting messages of your
own in the Fidonews echo. It remains open to all - both sysops
and non-sysops. Just like the FN_SYSOP echo supposed to be.

So there you have it. We can both have it both ways.

Freedom of speech in the echoes of our choice.

AND WE WOULD BOTH BE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!

I am offering you an opportunity of a lifetime. To freely
express yourself here, there, and everywhere. For all to read,
and chime in, about whatever the fonk you want to say about me
and others.

Of course, do realize, that we (not just me!) also reserve the
right to express ourselves here, there, and everywhere. For all
to read, and chime in, about whateveer the fonk we want to say
about you and others. That is kind of the way freedom of speech
works. Or supposed to work.

So please. Type on. Now's your chance. Here is your original
post, as found in the "sysop only gossip" echo.

Your Lord and Master,
--Lee

But hi is off topic.

We have nothing, yet, in Swedish law that limits the freedom of
speech based on being on topic or not. I usually tell him when he's
too far off limit, and he always respects my request. Good enough
for me.

But we all toghether are in a Fidonet Echo Conference and this
conference is ruled by:

1) A general policy
2) A specific policy (where available)
3) Conference specific rules.

An these rules are "Super Partes" they rules over the specific
country rules as usual for an international network.

You are the moderator of fidonews and you (or someone before you)
wrote the rules that are reminded to all of us periodically, this
is the core of your rules:

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SNIP---

Purpose:

The purpose of this echo is the discussion of recent articles (within
the last two weeks) in the Fidonews publication.

Rules:

Discuss only articles printed in the Fidonews Publication. A certain FB>amount of straying from this is however expected and encouraged.

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SNIP---

So, how many times mr.Lofaso followed these rules?
Unless for you "a certain amount of straying" for you is "always FB>straying". :P

Freedom of speech is a binary freedom, like every other freedom.
Either you have it or you don't. As soon as you apply even a minor BF>restriction, that binary goes into NOT -- hey presto, you no longer
have it at all.

You should talk about certain arguments in the proper echoes, Sysops
have even three chat conferences, other conferences with the topics FB>usually used by mr.Lofaso are available for standard echo conference FB>users, so again why he is writing off topic messages in the wrong
area? :)

You have the freedom to speech about everything also if I don't like
your arguments (Voltaire docet) but you have to do it in the proper
area with the proper terms IMHO.

The same goes for every freedom you can think of. Either you have
it or you don't. There is no middle way here, you only are
manipulated to think so...

Freedom without rules is called anarchy. ;)
And Anarchy is always wrong.

I really like the way you defend freedom and how you feel about it,
but rules are necessary if you want to respect the freedom of
everyone. :)

Ciao!
Fabio

--
We're Great In Bed

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