Dale Shipp wrote to Michiel Van Der Vlist <=-

It is even worse than that. Although many states make an
exception allowing abortion in the case of rape or incest, a few
do not even allow that exception -- making it essentially
impossible to obtain a legal abortion in that state. The really
bad part is that the state of Alabama does remove parental rights
even from a convicted rapist. The implication of that is that
the woman will be force to continue her pregnancy to full term,
have the baby, and then share joint custody with her rapist. She
would not even be allowed to put the baby up for adoption without
the consent of the rapist.

That is just wrong on so many levels.

It's also not true. Stop spreading fake news.

FYI - "Implication" does not equal reality. Not even close. I
know that's a hard concept for liberals to grasp (ie: Russian probe/collusion), but it's a fact not open to interpretation.

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Dan Clough -> Dale Shipp used his keyboard to write :

It is even worse than that. Although many states make an
exception allowing abortion in the case of rape or incest, a few
do not even allow that exception -- making it essentially
impossible to obtain a legal abortion in that state. The really
bad part is that the state of Alabama does remove parental rights
even from a convicted rapist. The implication of that is that
the woman will be force to continue her pregnancy to full term,
have the baby, and then share joint custody with her rapist. She
would not even be allowed to put the baby up for adoption without
the consent of the rapist.

That is just wrong on so many levels.

It's also not true. Stop spreading fake news.

This is part of what Alabama state legislators included in their
"forced birth" bill -

i) It is estimated that 6,000,000 Jewish people were murdered in
German concentration camps during World War II; 3,000,000 people were
executed by Joseph Stalin's regime in Soviet gulags; 2,500,000 people
were murdered during the Chinese "Great Leap Forward" in 1958;
1,500,000 to 3,000,000 people were murdered by the Khmer Rouge in
Cambodia during the 1970s; and approximately 1,000,000 people were
murdered during the Rwandan genocide in 1994. All of these are widely acknowledged to have been crimes against humanity. By comparison, more
than 50 million babies have been aborted in the United States since the
Roe decision in 1973, more than three times the number who were killed
in German death camps, Chinese purges, Stalin's gulags, Cambodian
killing fields, and the Rwandan genocide combined.

FYI - "Implication" does not equal reality. Not even close. I
know that's a hard concept for liberals to grasp (ie: Russian probe/collusion), but it's a fact not open to interpretation.

Comparing women who have had abortions (regardless of reasons)
to brutal dictators such as Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Chairman
Mao, and Pol Pot is beyond the pale. Supporters of the dimwits
who wrote the bill are just as sick and demented.

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Hello Dale,

On Thursday June 13 2019 00:39, you wrote to Dan Clough:

There is a slight mistake in what I wrote. Alabama does *NOT* remove parental rights from a convicted rapist.

I already guessed that a "not" had dropped out.

What seems odd to me is that there is anything to remove at all. Why does a rapist have parental rights in the first place?

My POV: To have or to not have an abortion is for the woman to decide. Period.

"Baas in eigen buik".


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Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Dan Clough <=-

intent of this law is to get the question back in front of the US
Supreme Court for an attempt at overturning Roe v Wade.

In case this should happen: Do you think the US would tolerate
"abortion tourism" to Canada, Mexico or other countries?

I don't think the US would have any say over such a thing.
Assuming valid passports, we (US citizens) are free to come and go
with Mexico/Canada for any reason we want, and without having to
explain why we want to do so.

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If you think fertilized eggs are people, but refuge kids aren't, you're going to have to stop pretending your concerns are religious.
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mark lewis wrote to all <=-

If you think fertilized eggs are people, but refuge kids aren't,
you're going to have to stop pretending your concerns are
religious.

Lots of things wrong with this...

1. There's a huge difference between a "fertilized egg" and a
being with organs and a *BEATING HEART*.

2. The abortion debate has nothing to do with refugee kids or any
treatment of refugee kids. I don't think refugee kids are being
intentionally slaughtered by the millions, are they?

3. A person can be against abortion for non-religious reasons.
At least speaking for myself, I'm against it and haven't been in a
church in 40 years (other than for weddings and funerals).
Religion has *NOTHING* to do with my position.

4. Assuming you are talking about the current border crisis and
the kids involved in that - remember this: Said kids were brought
here *ILLEGALLY* by their parents (or worse yet by smugglers and
traffickers). They are being housed and fed and receiving medical
attention, all at US taxpayer expense. Would you rather we just
took them back to the border and dumped them (and their parents)
back into the country that they came from?

I don't mean any of the above in a hostile or confrontational
tone. Just pointing out some things and perspectives that perhaps
some people haven't thought of. Not all pro-lifers are "religious
freaks". Not all pro-border-security people have anything against
"refugee kids" or immigration in general - they just want it to be
done the proper/legal way. All the money being wasted at the
border could be better used to help our own citizens who need
help.


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Hello Ward,

It is even worse than that. Although many states make an exception
allowing abortion in the case of rape or incest, a few do not even allow
that exception -- making it essentially impossible to obtain a legal
abortion in that state.

So you go to a next-door state, wazza problem?

Abortion is an issue mainly affecting women but discussed the most be men. Something's not right here.

Abortion and guns. The two issues that the far right loves to
rant about. Nothing else matters. Used to be god, guns, and gays.
But with an openly gay candidate leading their guy in the polls,
and a Christian one who is also a military veteran at that, they
have nothing left to rant about except "forced birth" legislation
by Southern lawmakers.

--Lee

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Hello Gerrit,

intent of this law is to get the question back in front of the US
Supreme Court for an attempt at overturning Roe v Wade.

In case this should happen: Do you think the US would tolerate "abortion tourism" to Canada, Mexico or other countries?

Not according to Margaret Atwood, author of "The Handmaid's Tale".

What is scary about her dystopian novel is that such things could
actually happen. The characters she depicts could very easily be
you or me, or rather who we could become.

--Lee

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Hello Dale,

The Alabama law is not even scheduled to go into effect until
November 2019.

Your point is what? It is the law as passed by Alabama.

Alabama's law will never take effect, and be ruled unconstitutional
within a short period of time and never make it to the USSC on appeal,
so there is nothing really to worry about on that front. However, it
does make a lot of folks, all men, in Alabama look really stupid.

The odds are VERY high that that will not even
happen, due to legal proceedings and "red tape". *IF* it ever
does go into effect, there will have been modifications made to
allow for abortions in cases of rape/incest.

Wishful thinking, and/or you admit the absurdity of the law.

It is unconstitutional, and will never go into effect.
I did post one of the footnotes in the bill, just to show
how idiotic and stupid Alabama legislators can be.

The actual *REAL*
intent of this law is to get the question back in front of the US
Supreme Court for an attempt at overturning Roe v Wade.

And thus go back to the era of coat hanger abortions and women dying.
I certainly hope that does not happen.

This is a "forced birth" bill. Totally unconstitutional, and
really not worth the time debating. An insult not only to women,
but also to every person on earth, both living and dead.

So quit screaming that the sky is falling, go find your little
safe space, sing lullabies to your unicorn, and have a good cry.
Maybe you'll eventually understand the world, but until then don't
worry, the adults have things handled.

What Adults?

Looking around. None found. At least, not in the state of Alabama.
Except for women. The only adults who know what giving birth is or
ever can be.

I don't see that any responsible adults would do such a thing.

Even children can be more responsible than some adults.

Unfortunately, there seem to be a dirth of such adults in power
these days.

Only in the state of Alabama. And Georgia. And Missouri.
And in a few other places.

And if people do not speak out against unjust actions by
those in power, those in power just get more brazen.

Which are more dangerous - the crazies or the stupids?

I am not sure I want to find out either way.

Or <gasp!> what if the one in charge is both crazy *and* stupid?

--Lee

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Ward Dossche wrote to Gerrit Kuehn <=-

No? So who is having abortions these days in the US? All wealthy people who could also go abroad?

Abortion numbers in the USA is a grossly misrepresented subject.

Last year there were officially 3.853.472 babies born there and
ultra right-wing anti-abortion groups claiming some 320.000
abortions.

My daughter who runs the delivery room in a major hospital here
(Belgium) and quite familiar with US situations confirms the
abortion numbers presented there are totally absurd.

Well, what does she think the number is? You don't indicate in
which direction you/she think the number is skewed.

A quick google check (of non-"ultra-right-wing" websites) shows
the number to be roughly 640,000. Twice what you said. What a
surprise.


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On 16/06/2019 23:39, Dan Clough -> Ward Dossche wrote:

Less than 10%? What the heck are they talking about, then?

It's politically overhyped ... and religeously as well.

Yeah.... what's 640,000 murders in a year? No big deal, right?

If abortion is legal then there is no murder involved.

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On 17/06/2019 03:52, Gerrit Kuehn -> Dan Clough wrote:

Numbers, please. Names and sources.

Look it up yourself, it's easily verified.
Don't bother responding.

So your claim has no proof, and you're weaseling out. Thank you, Sir, no further questions necessary.

Dan doesn't like to communicate with those who disagree with him - he can never win a debate, so he sticks his head in the sand.


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Hello David,

Numbers, please. Names and sources.

Look it up yourself, it's easily verified.

Don't bother responding. Your selective quoting/snipping, and
cherry picking sentences so as to better suit your point/agenda
has grown tiresome. You're now in the same "ignore" category as
the whacko Lofaso. Buh-bye.

ROFL.

Dan's blinkers strike again. :)

Dan has a bad case of Lofaso on his mind. :)

--Lee

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David Drummond wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Don't bother responding. Your selective quoting/snipping, and
cherry picking sentences so as to better suit your point/agenda
has grown tiresome. You're now in the same "ignore" category as
the whacko Lofaso. Buh-bye.

ROFL.
Dan's blinkers strike again. :)

...And then there were three. (In the "ignore" bin).



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