Hello Maurice,

I just booted my first lfs build yesterday. Linux 6.1.2, bash 5.2.15 and a recent version of vim. What a beautiful thing.. :)

I have no network support since I haven't yet installed a config in /etc/sysconfig. When booting and udev starts up I see it has loaded the e1001e module and that is what I need for network support. I just need to add a *.eth0 to setup the network (I think).

The lfs website has an example config but it uses static IPs and mine is dynamic, my slackware setup gets the IP with dhcpcd but I don't see a network config file for it, so I'm not sure what it would look like.

I wonder if I need to install and setup dhcpcd (beyond lfs talks about that) but I wonder if I can use the current setup to get my IP from dhcp?

Any advice?

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Hey Alan!

I just booted my first lfs build yesterday. Linux 6.1.2,
bash 5.2.15 and a recent version of vim.

I just booted kv-6.1.2 early yesterday morning;

:r !cat /proc/version | sed 's/^/ > /'
Linux version 6.1.2 (root@motorshed) (gcc (GCC) 12.2.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.39) #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Sun Jan 1 05:22:50 UTC 2023

What a beautiful thing.. :)

Agreed. As far as I am concerned it is the absolute best thing that happened to any computer.

I just need to add a *.eth0 to setup the network (I think).

Yes. On the three lfs systems here, there are two - eth0 and eth1. One is for static IPs on cable, the other for my wired private network. Also wireless hostapd but those are customized setups with their very own extra-special rc scripts. If you want to have a looksee at any of the /etc/sysconfig/ifconfig.eth? don't hesitate to ask and I can netmail then to you. However I think they are pretty straqight forward once you see them in action.

but it uses static IPs and mine is dynamic, my slackware setup
gets the IP with dhcpcd

Right. See https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/basicnet/dhcpcd.html for all the gory details. It isn't installed by LFS so you'll need to add it following the BLFS instructions. Same with wpa_supplicant for automagic wireless configurations for client systems.

I wonder if I need to install and setup dhcpcd

Yes you do. I think https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/basicnet/dhcpcd.html is the answer to all your questions but if not I believe I have some insight that will take it over the top.

WARNING: LFS is extremely addictive.

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Alan Ianson wrote to Maurice Kinal <=-

Hello Maurice,

I just booted my first lfs build yesterday. Linux 6.1.2, bash 5.2.15
and a recent version of vim. What a beautiful thing.. :)

Looks like I missed the party (just going through some recent history from this echo now).

But congrats, Alan!


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I just booted my first lfs build yesterday. Linux 6.1.2, bash 5.2.15
and a recent version of vim. What a beautiful thing.. :)

Looks like I missed the party (just going through some recent history from this echo now).

I'm still partying, so feel free to join in!

But congrats, Alan!

I really like the lfs setup. I've thought of doing it for years but never got it done until recently, I never should have put it off.

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Alan Ianson wrote to Andrew Alt <=-

I just booted my first lfs build yesterday. Linux 6.1.2, bash 5.2.15
and a recent version of vim. What a beautiful thing.. :)

Looks like I missed the party (just going through some recent history from this echo now).

I'm still partying, so feel free to join in!

Ok, Alan, I'll try to keep up. :)

But congrats, Alan!

I really like the lfs setup. I've thought of doing it for years but
never got it done until recently, I never should have put it off.

Did you get modemu2k and minicom installed yet?


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I really like the lfs setup. I've thought of doing it for years but
never got it done until recently, I never should have put it off.

Did you get modemu2k and minicom installed yet?

Not yet but it is on my todo list. I need that terminal for zmodem and friends.

I plan to grab the sources and patches from the slackware source tree for minicom and lrzsz. I had a look at the SlackBuild but I got lost in there so I need to sit down and work it out.

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I really like the lfs setup. I've thought of doing it for years but
never got it done until recently, I never should have put it off.

Did you get modemu2k and minicom installed yet?

I did. I'm logged in with minicom now using modemu2k and just tested a couple downloads.

Works like a champ!

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Alan Ianson wrote to Andrew Alt <=-

I really like the lfs setup. I've thought of doing it for years but
never got it done until recently, I never should have put it off.

Did you get modemu2k and minicom installed yet?

I did. I'm logged in with minicom now using modemu2k and just tested a couple downloads.

Works like a champ!

Awesome!

But I doubt I'll be maintaining modemu2k much longer. Syncterm is superior and I don't think
I'll have the interest or motivation to implement ssh support for modemu2k.


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Hello Andy,

But I doubt I'll be maintaining modemu2k much longer.

I'm not sure that anyone cares about such things anymore, but I do.

I'm not sure there is much to be done with modemu2k now but I hope you can keep an eye on it.

Syncterm is superior and I don't think I'll have the interest or motivation to implement ssh support for modemu2k.

I have always had syncterm installed. It has always built and run for me even on the console but I haven't had success building syncterm here without xorg and friends.

I have xorg and friends installed now so I'm sure I can get it done but minicom is working for me anyway.


Ttyl :-),
Al

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Alan Ianson wrote to Andy Alt <=-

I have always had syncterm installed. It has always built and run for
me even on the console but I haven't had success building syncterm here without xorg and friends.

On your LFS system?

What if you do this? (or is this what you did?)

Download syncterm-1.1-src.tgz from the official project page
Extract the source
From the root of the source directory, cd to 'src/syncterm'
enter in 'make RELEASE=1

That should build the syncterm binary in

src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.release

For me, it's not linking to any xorg or SDL2 libs:

ldd syncterm
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffe9cfce000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f550d9b8000)
libutil.so.1 => /lib64/libutil.so.1 (0x00007f550d9b3000)
libncursesw.so.6 => /lib64/libncursesw.so.6 (0x00007f550d975000)
libtinfo.so.6 => /lib64/libtinfo.so.6 (0x00007f550d944000)
libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x00007f550d7fc000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f550d7db000)
libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007f550d5fa000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f550d9cf000)

Though I didn't do that in LFS, I did it in the slackware-build-essential docker container (https://hub.docker.com/repository/docker/andy5995/slackware-build-essential/general)

I have xorg and friends installed now so I'm sure I can get it done but minicom is working for me anyway.

Nice to hear!

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I have always had syncterm installed. It has always built and run for
me even on the console but I haven't had success building syncterm here
without xorg and friends.

On your LFS system?

Yes, it wouldn't build for me and I was short of time then to have a closer look.

What if you do this? (or is this what you did?)

Download syncterm-1.1-src.tgz from the official project page
Extract the source
From the root of the source directory, cd to 'src/syncterm'
enter in 'make RELEASE=1

Yes, that's the way I have always built syncterm. Usually I also do "sudo make install" when make is done and I am good to go.

That should build the syncterm binary in

src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.release

Yes. When I build syncterm an a machine with out xorg or SDL it runs fine from the console. It doesn't have any desktop support (which is also nice) but works fine from the console.

For me, it's not linking to any xorg or SDL2 libs:

ldd syncterm
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffe9cfce000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f550d9b8000)
libutil.so.1 => /lib64/libutil.so.1 (0x00007f550d9b3000)
libncursesw.so.6 => /lib64/libncursesw.so.6 (0x00007f550d975000) libtinfo.so.6 => /lib64/libtinfo.so.6 (0x00007f550d944000)
libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x00007f550d7fc000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f550d7db000)
libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007f550d5fa000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f550d9cf000)

Though I didn't do that in LFS, I did it in the slackware-build-essential docker container
(https://hub.docker.com/repository/docker/andy5995/slackware-build-essential/g
neral)

I wish I would have dug in a bit more but I'll do that on the next go around.

I have xorg and friends installed now so I'm sure I can get it done but
minicom is working for me anyway.

Nice to hear!

Yep, I like minicom. I am about to get xmms installed. It needs an older version of glib installed. The source and a bunch of patches live in the slackware tree so I'll go grab it from there and try my luck.

I usually use vlc or audacious but xmms is nice too.

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I have always had syncterm installed. It has always built and run for
me even on the console but I haven't had success building syncterm here
without xorg and friends.

On your LFS system?

I just tried again to get syncterm installed. The build fails for me on lfs for reasons unknown.

The build of cryptlib fails I think, make doesn't even get to syncterm itself.

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Hey Alan!

I wish I would have dug in a bit more but I'll do that on the
next go around.

I believe that a major issue is libtinfo.so.6 which is not included in a stock lfs build.

Life is good,
Maurice

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I wish I would have dug in a bit more but I'll do that on the
next go around.

I believe that a major issue is libtinfo.so.6 which is not included in a stock lfs build.

That may well be it. I see libtinfo in Andy's ldd output of syncterm.

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Hey Alan!

That may well be it. I see libtinfo in Andy's ldd output of
syncterm.

He must have an older version since the source I just dl'ed builds fine and has no shared ncurses libraries linked.

I didn't try it since I already have the terminal I require and have for decades now. /usr/share/terminfo/l/linux is your friend.

Life is good,
Maurice

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That may well be it. I see libtinfo in Andy's ldd output of
syncterm.

He must have an older version since the source I just dl'ed builds fine and had no shared ncurses libraries linked.

Did you build syncterm successfully?

I didn't try it since I already have the terminal I require and have for decades now. /usr/share/terminfo/l/linux is your friend.

I use ssh when it's avalable and plain old telnet when it's not.

I only need minicom or syncterm if I need to grab files with zmodem.

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Hey Alan!

Did you build syncterm successfully?

Yes. I nabbed https://syncterm.bbsdev.net/syncterm-src.tgz a little while ago, and it unpacked to ./syncterm-20230302 which looks current. Here are some gory details;

:r !ldd ~/WeBeBashing/source/syncterm-20230302/src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.debug/syncterm | sed 's/\t/ /'
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffe96f4f000)
libncursesw.so.6 => /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.6 (0x00007fefe1f8a000)
libm.so.6 => /usr/lib/libm.so.6 (0x00007fefe1eab000)
libc.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc.so.6 (0x00007fefe1cca000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007fefea75f000)

Looks like I was mistaken about the shared ncurses but at least libtinfo isn't one of them.

I use ssh when it's avalable and plain old telnet when it's not.

I only used telnet the other day which is the first time in AGES. I used to use telnet (rlogin before that) back in a time long, long ago in a land far, far away.

I only need minicom or syncterm if I need to grab files with
zmodem.

Okay. Does that happen often?

Life is good,
Maurice

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Looks like I was mistaken about the shared ncurses but at least libtinfo isn't one of them.

That's interesting. I have been using the 1.1 version because of reported upload bugs but hat is old and they are likely solved now.

I'll grab that version and try again.

I use ssh when it's avalable and plain old telnet when it's not.

I only used telnet the other day which is the first time in AGES. I used to use telnet (rlogin before that) back in a time long, long ago in a land far, far away.

I don't use it often anymore but once in a while.

I only need minicom or syncterm if I need to grab files with
zmodem.

Okay. Does that happen often?

Not often no. Usually there are other options like ftp but there are times when zmodem is the only option.

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Yes. I nabbed https://syncterm.bbsdev.net/syncterm-src.tgz a little while ago and it unpacked to ./syncterm-20230302 which looks current. Here are some gory details;

:r !ldd ~/WeBeBashing/source/syncterm-20230302/src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.
debug/syncterm | sed 's/\t/ /'
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffe96f4f000)
libncursesw.so.6 => /usr/lib/libncursesw.so.6 (0x00007fefe1f8a000)
libm.so.6 => /usr/lib/libm.so.6 (0x00007fefe1eab000)
libc.so.6 => /usr/lib/libc.so.6 (0x00007fefe1cca000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007fefea75f000)

I tried to build this version and it is also failing here the same as the 1.1 version.

In both cases there is a fatal error early in the build of cryptlib because it fails to find cryptlib.h.

It says no such file or directory. I wonder why it's failing here?

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Hey Alan!

In both cases there is a fatal error early in the build of
cryptlib because it fails to find cryptlib.

find shows it located in ./3rdp/src/cl/cryptlib.h.

It says no such file or directory. I wonder why it's failing
here?

Not sure but it might be something to do with your path. See COMPILNG in the syncterm directory of the source. It mentions setting up SRC_ROOT in the commandline. I didn't have to do that here and simply switched to the directory ./syncterm-20230302/src/syncterm/ and run make. Also I haven't bothered installing it anywhere.

Life is good,
Maurice

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It says no such file or directory. I wonder why it's failing
here?

Not sure but it might be something to do with your path. See COMPILNG in the syncterm directory of the source. It mentions setting up SRC_ROOT in the commandline. I didn't have to do that here and simply switched to the directory ./syncterm-20230302/src/syncterm/ and run make. Also I haven't bothered installing it anywhere.

I moved my /etc/profile out of the way and then it built fine. Something in there (I'm not sure what) was stepping on us.

The above version did, the 1.1 version got past the cryptlib.h issue but failed to build syncterm further on. I'm not sure why.

It doesn't run here but I'll see if I can massage that some other time. ;)

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Hey Alan!

It doesn't run here but I'll see if I can massage that some other
time. ;)

Sounds like a plan.

Personally I don't have a use/need for it and the below bothers me enough to call it a day;

:r !ls -alh ~/WeBeBashing/source/syncterm-20230302/src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.debug/syncterm
-rwxr-xr-x 1 maurice users 4.9M Mar 2 11:40 /home/maurice/WeBeBashing/source/syncterm-20230302/src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.debug/syncterm

:r !ls -alh /usr/bin/telnet
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 139K Mar 1 04:34 /usr/bin/telnet

Hm ... over 4.8M just to get zmodem?!?!?!?! ;-)

It ain't gonna happen.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hm ... over 4.8M just to get zmodem?!?!?!?! ;-)

Strip it!

It's only useful if you have a use for it.

But if you need a terminal syncterm is a good one. A lot of BBSs are very retro. They still use a lot of cp437 encoded ansi. Syncterm can present them as expected even on a utf8 terminal.

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Hey Alan!

Strip it!

It is/was. Here is the evidence;

:r !file ~/WeBeBashing/source/syncterm-20230302/src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.debug/syncterm | sed 's/^/ /'
/home/maurice/WeBeBashing/source/syncterm-20230302/src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.debug/syncterm: ELF 64-bit LSB pie executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 4.14.0, stripped

Note the "stripped" at the end of the line.

A lot of BBSs are very retro.

You forgot to mention "hotbeds of activity". :::wink, wink, knudge, knudge:::

telnet works okay and runs beautifully on the linux terminal along with framebuffered mplayer playing a full screen 4K mp4, all without requiring a gui. BUT if using a gui then "mplayer -vo vdpau -fs 16penguins.mp4" is something to write home to mother about.

Remember you read it here first.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Strip it!

It is/was. Here is the evidence;

OK, I guess that's the best we can do.

A lot of BBSs are very retro.

You forgot to mention "hotbeds of activity". :::wink, wink, knudge, knudge:::

They were at one time. When I first started BBSing that was "online". Times have changed. Significantly, but I am still a BBSer.

telnet works okay and runs beautifully on the linux terminal along with framebuffered mplayer playing a full screen 4K mp4, all without requiring a gui. BUT if using a gui then "mplayer -vo vdpau -fs 16penguins.mp4" is something to write home to mother about.

I just realized the other day that vlc has an ncurses interface but I have never tried it. I played some music with it but didn't have any movie files to try at the time.

I'm going to have to get mplayer installed and try it out on the console.

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Hey Alan!

OK, I guess that's the best we can do.

Nope. It doesn't even come close to the worst terminal /usr/share/terminfo/ has to offer which means by default ANYTHING native to that will be better. Also I'd add that /usr/share/terminfo/l/linux *IS* the best no matter what. Thus what I am currently using to reply to you *IS* the best we can do.

When I first started BBSing that was "online".

Understood. My first login to a BBS was from a VAX/VMS dumb terminal rlogin to a geology library running a BBS as a frontend to the library's database. That was sometime around 1989-ish if I am not mistaken. Later it was farmed out to the horticultural department and they turned it into the first fidonet BBS I ever saw. It worked great. I don't recall the vt deployed by the dumb terminal but I bet it is more retro than anything the DOS-think sysops are even aware of.

Speaking of which;

:r !find /usr/share/terminfo -type f | wc -l | sed 's/^/ /'
2869

I just realized the other day that vlc has an ncurses interface
but I have never tried it.

I did but haven't for about 20 years now. I plan to add it into the mix soon.

I'm going to have to get mplayer installed and try it out on the
console.

I'd like to see that on your nvidia setup. It should work excellent on there using the fbdev2 video output. I've personally tested it with i915drmfb and amdgpu.

Too much fun.

Life is good,
Maurice

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I'd like to see that on your nvidia setup. It should work excellent on there using the fbdev2 video output. I've personally tested it with i915drmfb and amdgpu.

I had a quick look at installing the nvidia drivers but it failed for some reason. My nvidia card is not old but it is considered "legacy" by nvidia. It uses the nvidia-legacy-390 package.

It works well on my slackware setup with the 5.18.* kernel that ships with slackware-15.0. One day I am going to ask for advice from the LFS group and see if they can help me get that working. I think my chances are about 50/50 but I'll see what I can come up with.

Aside from that I think there's a pretty good chance it would work with the nouveau driver that I am using now.

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Hey Alan!

Aside from that I think there's a pretty good chance it would work
with the nouveau driver that I am using now.

If you are now getting boot penguins on there then for sure mplayer will cooperate with the fbdev2 video output that should now associate with the kernel's nouveau driver that you are now using. You are pretty well much there whether or not you are aware of exactly where you are.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Alan Ianson wrote to Andy Alt <=-

Hello Andy,

But I doubt I'll be maintaining modemu2k much longer.

I'm not sure that anyone cares about such things anymore, but I do.

I'm not sure there is much to be done with modemu2k now but I hope you
can keep an eye on it.

Thanks Alan. I just updated it to v0.2.2 ;)

I got a few messages here that are dated from 2023 I think. I replied to you then, hopefully. Probably I was using Prism
BBS then.

Talk to you soon.

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How did things work out for you?? :)

Alan Ianson wrote to Andy Alt <=-

I have always had syncterm installed. It has always built and run for
me even on the console but I haven't had success building syncterm here
without xorg and friends.

On your LFS system?

Yes, it wouldn't build for me and I was short of time then to have a closer look.

What if you do this? (or is this what you did?)

Download syncterm-1.1-src.tgz from the official project page
Extract the source
From the root of the source directory, cd to 'src/syncterm'
enter in 'make RELEASE=1

Yes, that's the way I have always built syncterm. Usually I also do
"sudo make install" when make is done and I am good to go.

That should build the syncterm binary in

src/syncterm/gcc.linux.x64.exe.release

Yes. When I build syncterm an a machine with out xorg or SDL it runs
fine from the console. It doesn't have any desktop support (which is
also nice) but works fine from the console.

For me, it's not linking to any xorg or SDL2 libs:

ldd syncterm
linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007ffe9cfce000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib64/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f550d9b8000)
libutil.so.1 => /lib64/libutil.so.1 (0x00007f550d9b3000)
libncursesw.so.6 => /lib64/libncursesw.so.6 (0x00007f550d975000) libtinfo.so.6 => /lib64/libtinfo.so.6 (0x00007f550d944000)
libm.so.6 => /lib64/libm.so.6 (0x00007f550d7fc000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x00007f550d7db000)
libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6 (0x00007f550d5fa000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f550d9cf000)

Though I didn't do that in LFS, I did it in the slackware-build-essential docker container

(https://hub.docker.com/repository/docker/andy5995/slackware-build-essential/g
neral)

I wish I would have dug in a bit more but I'll do that on the next go around.

I have xorg and friends installed now so I'm sure I can get it done but
minicom is working for me anyway.

Nice to hear!

Yep, I like minicom. I am about to get xmms installed. It needs an
older version of glib installed. The source and a bunch of patches live
in the slackware tree so I'll go grab it from there and try my luck.

I usually use vlc or audacious but xmms is nice too.

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How did things work out for you?? :)

I have Syncterm 1.7 running without issues on the desktop and I see deuce is building a new version. Pre releases of 1.9 can be found at ..

https://syncterm.bbsdev.net

I am not sure where my issue of Syncterm not building without X installed is at these days. I think my LFS might be too lean and mean.

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But I doubt I'll be maintaining modemu2k much longer.

I'm not sure that anyone cares about such things anymore, but I do.

I'm not sure there is much to be done with modemu2k now but I hope you
can keep an eye on it.

Thanks Alan. I just updated it to v0.2.2 ;)

I saw those files on the BBS, thanks!

I'll get those files sorted properly soon.

I got your email also and then I borked my desktop before I had a chance to reply. I'll reply to you shortly.

I got a few messages here that are dated from 2023 I think. I replied to you then, hopefully. Probably I was using Prism
BBS then.

Yeah, sorry to say Prism is gone now since Janis passed a while back.

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Thanks for the heads-up. I think I've subscribed to notifications on the AUR package. syncterm is awesome. :)

Alan Ianson wrote to Andy Alt <=-

How did things work out for you?? :)

I have Syncterm 1.7 running without issues on the desktop and I see
deuce is building a new version. Pre releases of 1.9 can be found at ..

https://syncterm.bbsdev.net

I am not sure where my issue of Syncterm not building without X
installed is at these days. I think my LFS might be too lean and mean.

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Alan Ianson wrote to Andy Alt <=-

Thanks Alan. I just updated it to v0.2.2 ;)

I saw those files on the BBS, thanks!

I'll get those files sorted properly soon.

I got your email also and then I borked my desktop before I had a
chance to reply. I'll reply to you shortly.

No worries. I logged in a few hours ago and downloaded a QWK packet. Didn't see anything from you yet. I'll
check again in a few days.

I got a few messages here that are dated from 2023 I think. I replied to you then, hopefully. Probably I was using Prism
BBS then.

Yeah, sorry to say Prism is gone now since Janis passed a while back.

This is the first I heard about it. May she Rest in Peace. I first "met" her around 2004. She helped me set up
FidoNet on a BBS I was helping with. Later, she helped me distribute some of my work on FileGate. We
occassionally touched base and had a few personal conversations. Someone as nice as her is very special. I wish
I'd have been on Fido in 2024 to see what was going on and say goodbye. :(

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I got your email also and then I borked my desktop before I had a
chance to reply. I'll reply to you shortly.

No worries. I logged in a few hours ago and downloaded a QWK packet. Didn't see anything from you yet. I'll check again in a few days.

I'm having trouble getting my desktop going. I've reset again and have begun fresh.

I got a few messages here that are dated from 2023 I think. I replied to you >> then, hopefully. Probably I was using Prism
BBS then.

Yeah, sorry to say Prism is gone now since Janis passed a while back.

This is the first I heard about it. May she Rest in Peace. I first "met" her around 2004. She helped me set up FidoNet on a BBS I was helping with. Later, she helped me distribute some of me work on FileGate. We occassionally touched base and had a few personal conversations. Someone as nice as her is very special. I wish I'd have been on Fido in 2024 to see what was going on and say goodbye. :(

Yes, she was a special lady for sure and dhe has been missed.

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Alan Ianson wrote to Andy Alt <=-

I got your email also and then I borked my desktop before I had a
chance to reply. I'll reply to you shortly.

No worries. I logged in a few hours ago and downloaded a QWK packet. Didn't see anything from you yet. I'll check again in a few days.

I'm having trouble getting my desktop going. I've reset again and have begun fresh.

Good luck :)

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I'm having trouble getting my desktop going. I've reset again and have
begun fresh.

Good luck :)

I have solved the issue this time around. :)

Continuing on I don't expect any issues. I just need time to sit down and do it but it won't be long now (FamousLastWords).

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Alan Ianson wrote to Andy Alt <=-

I'm having trouble getting my desktop going. I've reset again and have
begun fresh.

Good luck :)

I have solved the issue this time around. :)

Continuing on I don't expect any issues. I just need time to sit down
and do it but it won't be long now (FamousLastWords).

Congrats. :) I got your message on the modemu2k repo as well. It sounds like your webserver is permanently down
the, due to a bbbsd bug?

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Congrats. :) I got your message on the modemu2k repo as well. It sounds like your webserver is permanently down the, due to a bbbsd bug?

It's down now because I don't have a solution. I couldn't even guess what tommorrow brings.

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Alan Ianson wrote to Andy Alt <=-

Congrats. :) I got your message on the modemu2k repo as well. It sounds like your webserver is permanently down the, due to a bbbsd bug?

It's down now because I don't have a solution. I couldn't even guess
what tommorrow brings.

Hmmmm... me and Maurice like problems. I can't speak for him other than that, but if you think a solution exists, you and I could meet on Jitsi chat and do some troubleshooting. I've been known to solve problems.


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It's down now because I don't have a solution. I couldn't even guess
what tommorrow brings.

Hmmmm... me and Maurice like problems. I can't speak for him other than that, but if you think a solution exists, you and
I could meet on Jitsi chat and do some troubleshooting. I've been known to solve problems.

I don't know what Jitsi is but I'll look that up.

I only know the symptoms. I don't know the cause or solution (if any).

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Hej Andy!

me and Maurice like problems.

I thought I was/am the problem ?!?!?!?!

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

o- -o o- -o o- -o o- o- -o o- o- o- o- o- -o -o
/) (\ /) (\ /) (\ /) /) (\ /) /) /) /) /) (\ (\
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
... Nearon nu cyningas ne caseras ne goldgiefan swylce iu wæron.
There are not now kings nor caesars nor gold-givers as there once were.
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I don't know what Jitsi is but I'll look that up.

Jitsi meet. aven't used that in ages. Now I just use Google Meet.

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Maurice Kinal wrote to Andy Alt <=-

Hej Andy!

me and Maurice like problems.

I thought I was/am the problem ?!?!?!?!

:) Nah, not YOU! It's the OTHER humans!


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Hey Andy!

:) Nah, not YOU! It's the OTHER humans!

As Vger might say, "Stinkin' carbon based units!"

Дуже груви,
Maurice

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^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
... Wea bið wundrum clibbor. Wolcnu scriðað.
Sorrow is strangely clinging. Clouds glide on.
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Maurice Kinal wrote to Andy Alt <=-

Hey Andy!

:) Nah, not YOU! It's the OTHER humans!

As Vger might say, "Stinkin' carbon based units!"

:) Nice way to work in an ST reference. ;)

Last I heard, Voyager is still going strong. Shame on the Star Trek writers for having such a pessimistic vision
of the Voyager probe.

On Wednesday, Nov. 18, 2026, at 2:16:07 a.m. PST, NASA� �s Voyager 1 spacecraft will be 16,094,799,096 miles
(1,079,252,848 kilometers) away from Earth � � or, the distance light travels in 24 hours, also known as one
light-day.� -

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Hej Andy!

16,094,799,096 miles (1,079,252,848 kilometers)

Closer to 25,902,068,356 kilometers where I come from.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

-o o- -o o- o- -o -o o- o- -o o- -o o- -o o- o-
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Re: problems
By: Andy Alt to Maurice Kinal on Thu Jul 02 2026 16:44:56

Last I heard, Voyager is still going strong. Shame on the Star Trek writers for having such a pessimistic vision of the Voyager probe.

How were they pessimistic? The program made it to at least six probes, four more than reality.

I recently read that the thrusters are still working after 35 years of inactivity. Now that's built tough.
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Mortar M. wrote to All <=-

Re: problems
By: Andy Alt to Maurice Kinal on Thu Jul 02 2026 16:44:56

Last I heard, Voyager is still going strong. Shame on the Star Trek writers for having such a pessimistic vision of the Voyager probe.

How were they pessimistic? The program made it to at least six probes, four more than reality.

I rememembered in ST The Motion Picture that it was theorized that Voyager had been sucked into a black hole, and then assimilated. But my train of thought wasn't remembering some details well. So... it become One with the Creator and ... it vaporized but wasn't actually destroyed? Did it ever transmit all the data it obtained?

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Hey Andy!

I rememembered in ST The Motion Picture

I was referencing the original TV episode of Vger. If I recall correctly that version of Vger was more arrogant and definetly more cheesie sci-fi-wise. Cheesiness is good.

Дуже груви,
Maurice

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Re: problems
By: Maurice Kinal to Andy Alt on Wed Jul 08 2026 03:14:35

I was referencing the original TV episode of Vger. If I recall correctly that version of Vger was more arrogant and definetly more cheesie sci-fi-wise. Cheesiness is good.

You're thinking of the TOS episode, "The Changeling". The original probe sent out from Earth was called Nomad. The modified version that showed up on the Enterprise retained that name.
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Hej Mortar!

You're thinking of the TOS episode, "The Changeling". The original
probe sent out from Earth was called Nomad.

At my age I should know better than to totally rely on memory. :::sigh:::

first broadcast on September 29, 1967

That helps to explain my mixed memory of the tv episode with the movie version. Despite this I still will default to the tv episode simply because of the cheesie el-cheapo special effects. Also it took less than an hour to resolve what took the movie more than an hour of overdone graphics for more or less the same plot, with the same actors. Vger ... V'Ger ... V'ger, was a nice touch although Voyager wouldn't have existed when the tv episode was aired.

Getting old ...

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Every ruler ought to live virtuously.
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Re: problems
By: Maurice Kinal to Mortar M. on Wed Jul 08 2026 19:41:03

Despite this I still will default to the tv episode simply because
of the cheesie el-cheapo special effects.

By today's standards, but for the mid-60s, they were considered quite good, especially for a TV show with limited budget and time.

Also it took less than an hour to resolve what took the movie more than an hour of overdone graphics for more or less the same plot.

You can hardly compare the two formats. Movies have more time and more budget to tell one story while episodic TV of that time had to crank out a new story every week.

There are several books on TOS's production, but I recommend The Making of Star Trek by Stephen Whitfield, which was the first and IMO, the most accurate as the author actually spent time on the sets, talking to the actors and production staff.
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Hej Mortar!

By today's standards, but for the mid-60s, they were considered quite
good, especially for a TV show with limited budget and time.

As a witness in real time I recall very early on in the film version that it had been done before. My wires got crossed about Vger sometime later ... I guess.

You can hardly compare the two formats.

Says who? Speaking for myself, I says I can.

Movies have more time and more budget to tell one story while
episodic TV of that time had to crank out a new story every week.

In this case I thought the movie wasted far too much time attempting to impress with graphics and, other than adding Vger, did little to nothing on the storyline.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Re: problems
By: Maurice Kinal to Mortar M. on Thu Jul 09 2026 16:34:39

In this case I thought the movie wasted far too much time attempting to impress with graphics and, other than adding Vger, did little to nothing on the storyline.

Agreed, for the most part. Funny thing is, many critics panned it, not only for it's slow pace, but also they felt the story was too cerebral. This was exactly the same complaint by NBC for the pilot episode, "The Cage".
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