Hello everybody!

This is coming to you with Velenobbs's pointweb. My local time=5:16pm

This is very different. Clever. I suggest other pointers give it a try!



August.Abolins


--- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20170303
* Origin: ----> Point Of VeleNo BBs (http://www.velenobbs.net) (2:333/808.7)

Hello August,

Hello everybody!

This is coming to you with Velenobbs's pointweb. My local time=5:16pm

This is very different. Clever. I suggest other pointers give it a
try!

Interesting. Your tearline says GoldED. Is that what you used to write that message?

August.Abolins

--- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20170303
* Origin: ----> Point Of VeleNo BBs (http://www.velenobbs.net) (2:333/808.7)

Ttyl :-),
Al

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Hello Alan!

12 Feb 20 15:51, you wrote to August Abolins:

Hello August,

Interesting. Your tearline says GoldED. Is that what you used to write that message?

Ttyl :-),
Al

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Yes.. it invokes GoldED. I am not too familiar with it, but it seems to have many editing options. I've only used it briefly when I was experimenting with invoking an external editor with Apoint. I'm spoiled with OXP and working locally, but this real-time webpoint method feels very different from anything else. A little internet delay when typing is to be expected.

Like Thomas said, this method doesn't require any extraneous programs at all.

Full bbs-like options are available: file-requests, netmail, re-routing netmail, etc (mostly provided by the GoldEd features).





August.Abolins


--- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20170303
* Origin: ----> Point Of VeleNo BBs (http://www.velenobbs.net) (2:333/808.7)

Hello August,

Interesting. Your tearline says GoldED. Is that what you used to
write that message?

Yes.. it invokes GoldED.

Interesting, it invokes golded in a web interface. Sounds like Thomas has put a
lot of effort into it. It would be good if he could get the "." between your first and last name out.

I am not too familiar with it, but it seems to have many editing
options. I've only used it briefly when I was experimenting with
invoking an external editor with Apoint. I'm spoiled with OXP and
working locally, but this real-time webpoint method feels very
different from anything else. A little internet delay when typing is
to be expected.

Like Thomas said, this method doesn't require any extraneous programs
at all.

Yep, sounds like a usefull setup. Is that your own point address?

I have thought about doing something similar. My idea was to give folks ssh access. If folks are comfortable with an ssh shell they could edit files and set envirnments as they please and once their configuration is done they can run golded (or any editor) to read and reply to messages. If they are not comfortable in the shell I could setup a golded.cfg for them and set their shell to golded so when they log in golded fires up for them and when they leave it shuts down.

That's how I am logged in now. No delay at all as I type.

Full bbs-like options are available: file-requests, netmail,
re-routing netmail, etc (mostly provided by the GoldEd features).

Yep, golded is a handy editor. There was nothing to compare it to when Odin first started on it.

Ttyl :-),
Al

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Hello Alan!

** 12.02.20 - 16:49, Alan Ianson wrote to August Abolins:

Interesting, it invokes golded in a web interface. Sounds like Thomas has
put a lot of effort into it. It would be good if he could get the "."
between your first and last name out.

Yes.. I thought that "August.Abolins" was rather odd. Maybe it's a consequence of a some requirement to make the process work? I'll see what Thomas has to say.

The startup/initalization process reminds me of a Remote Desktop
connection. It is implemented in Windows 7. After initialization, I see
two DOS windows. One for the controlling the Areas, and the other is a
GoldEd session.

I've posted some screen shots here, temporarily:

http://openxp.kolico.ca/gallery/

Like Thomas said, this method doesn't require any extraneous programs
at all.

Yep, sounds like a usefull setup. Is that your own point address?

The point address ending with /808.7 is assigned to me, yes.

I have thought about doing something similar. My idea was to give folks
ssh access. If folks are comfortable with an ssh shell they could edit
files and set envirnments as they please and once their configuration is
done they can run golded (or any editor) to read and reply to messages. If
they are not comfortable in the shell I could setup a golded.cfg for them
and set their shell to golded so when they log in golded fires up for them
and when they leave it shuts down.

I see many bbses offer ssh. Personally, I've never tried it.

Thomas's implementation keeps the experience simple and only related to
using the point system for messages. In otherwords, there is no archaic terminal/shell prompt waiting for user commands. Menu commands are in one window, and the editor/area commands are in another window on the same screen.

That's how I am logged in now. No delay at all as I type.

The slight delay is acceptible, afterall.. I'm connecting with a system
all the way in Italy from Canada, and the screen experience is rendering multiple DOS screens within Windows.

Full bbs-like options are available: file-requests, netmail,
re-routing netmail, etc (mostly provided by the GoldEd features).

Yep, golded is a handy editor. There was nothing to compare it to when
Odin first started on it.

I probably *can* get used to GoldEd, but I am quite spoiled with OXP's
editor now.

A few GoldEd commands didn't seem to work for me: Threading, for example.
The T) command kept cycling through the Twit options.

Overall, I think PointWeb is a fine accomplishment.

I'll reserve more comments about it for later.

I would like to see other people try it and hear their comments.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: ....................... (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

*** 12.02.20 at 23:15, August Abolins wrote to All:
*** 12.02.20 at 23:15, wrote:

This is coming to you with Velenobbs's pointweb. My local time=5:16pm

This is very different. Clever. I suggest other pointers give it a
try!

Stay toooooooned ;-))

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

*** 12.02.20 at 22:12, August Abolins wrote to Alan Ianson:

[snip]

I've posted some screen shots here, temporarily:

http://openxp.kolico.ca/gallery/

Looks nice and clean :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hi August.

12 Feb 20 23:15, you wrote to All:

This is coming to you with Velenobbs's pointweb. My local time=5:16pm

This is very different. Clever. I suggest other pointers give it a try!

Using a text mode app over the interweb sounds not very pleasant... IMHO.

GoldED is a very powerful sysop editor. The best, actually. Do you have full access to the msgbase? The msgbase dedicated to you?

'Tommi

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: nntps://news.fidonet.fi (2:221/6)

Hello Tommi!

13 Feb 20 20:37, you wrote to August.Abolins:

Using a text mode app over the interweb sounds not very pleasant...
IMHO.

This feels not unlike a VNC or Remote Desktop session.

There can probably be room for improvement with the display (the GoldEd screen is only about 6.5" across and 3" high on my 11" wide laptop screen).

GoldED is a very powerful sysop editor. The best, actually. Do you
have full access to the msgbase? The msgbase dedicated to you?

Not sure what you mean by "full access". There is just a very simple main menu screen to Add/Remove/List Areas and Send/Receive messages, and another screen that embodies GoldEd. See my screenshots at:

https://openxp.kolico.ca/gallery


August


--- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20170303
* Origin: ----> Point Of VeleNo BBs (http://www.velenobbs.net) (2:333/808.7)

Hello August!

*** 14.02.20 at 04:55, August Abolins wrote to Tommi Koivula:

[snip]

There can probably be room for improvement with the display (the GoldEd screen is only about 6.5" across and 3" high on my 11" wide laptop screen).

After receiving my credentials and logging in, I have to agree that the GoldED window is far too small. By playing about with the window
properties, I can get the window size to anything I like but GoldED itself doesn't resize accordingly. For me, that's a showstopper on my 19" wide screen monitor :-((

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

On 14/02/2020 8:02 a.m., Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:


Hello Martin!

After receiving my credentials and logging in, I have to agree
that the GoldED window is far too small. By playing about with
the window properties, I can get the window size to anything I
like but GoldED itself doesn't resize accordingly. For me, that's
a showstopper on my 19" wide screen monitor :-((

What resolution are you running at? Physically, how wide and high are
those DOS windows on your screen?

My 14" laptop is 1440x1050, and that makes each DOS window a little
wider than 3" across. That's pretty small.

I recently posted the results on my 17" monitor (with a ruler for scale
in a couple of them) :

http://openxp.kolico.ca/pointweb-on-17/

It's running at 1280x1024 which makes each DOS window a bit larger at 7" across. But that's still a bit too small for regular use. And, the
height of those windows is fixed at 80x25 chars. Taller/longer windows
would be good!

As you discovered, the login screen is scalable, but not the actual
webpoint session.


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** 14.02.20 - 20:07, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

My 14" laptop is 1440x1050, and that makes each DOS window a little
wider than 3" across. That's pretty small.

Oooops. I meant 3" HIGH and 6.6" across.



../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: ....................... (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

*** 14.02.20 at 20:07, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

After receiving my credentials and logging in, I have to agree
that the GoldED window is far too small. By playing about with
the window properties, I can get the window size to anything I
like but GoldED itself doesn't resize accordingly. For me, that's
a showstopper on my 19" wide screen monitor :-((

What resolution are you running at?

My monitor is running at its native resolution of 1440x900

Physically, how wide and high are those DOS windows on your screen?

They are 7.3" x 3.7"

JOOI, my OpenXP window size is 13.4" x 8.1", which is far more to my own liking but it probably wouldn't be to everyone's taste. However, this
window size is achieved by a combination of OpenXP's display settings,
window font and font size.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

*** 14.02.20 at 19:30, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

My 14" laptop is 1440x1050, and that makes each DOS window a little
wider than 3" across. That's pretty small.

Oooops. I meant 3" HIGH and 6.6" across.

Yes, of course you did :)

I've contacted the SysOp about this matter and he says he's working on it
and that he'll let me know as soon as it's fixed.

I also asked him about read/write access to the GoldED config file(s) and he's working on that too.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

On 14.2.2020 4.55, August Abolins wrote:

Using a text mode app over the interweb sounds not very pleasant... IMHO.

This feels not unlike a VNC or Remote Desktop session.

There can probably be room for improvement with the display (the GoldEd screen is only about 6.5" across and 3" high on my 11" wide laptop screen).

GoldED is a very powerful sysop editor. The best, actually. Do you
have full access to the msgbase? The msgbase dedicated to you?

Not sure what you mean by "full access".

Are you able to delete all the messages, for example? :)

'Tommi

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Hello Martin!

15 Feb 20 10:51, you wrote to me:

I've contacted the SysOp about this matter and he says he's working on
it and that he'll let me know as soon as it's fixed.

The windows are much larger now! About 9" across and about 4.5" high on my 17"
screen.

I also asked him about read/write access to the GoldED config file(s)
and he's working on that too.

That should be interesting.


August


--- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20170303
* Origin: ----> Point Of VeleNo BBs (http://www.velenobbs.net) (2:333/808.7)

Hello Tommi!

15 Feb 20 14:46, you wrote to me:

Are you able to delete all the messages, for example? :)

Delete is only one message at a time, at this time. It would be nice to get rid of old FIDOTEST messages in bulk that I don't need to see here.


August


--- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20170303
* Origin: ----> Point Of VeleNo BBs (http://www.velenobbs.net) (2:333/808.7)

Hi August.

15 Feb 20 16:38:38, you wrote to me:

Hello Tommi!

15 Feb 20 14:46, you wrote to me:

Are you able to delete all the messages, for example? :)

Delete is only one message at a time, at this time. It would be nice
to get rid of old FIDOTEST messages in bulk that I don't need to see
here.

Alt-S, Mark all, del...

'Tommi

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* Origin: Point One, Le Gros-Theil, France (2:221/360.1)

Hello Tommi!

15 Feb 20 18:02, you wrote to me:

Alt-S, Mark all, del...

Wow. I missed that the first time. Apparently there are four "pages" of help options in the reading window. Alt-S was on the second page. Not being familiar with GoldEd, I was just using the Up/Down arrow keys to go through the
help screen. So many options in GoldEd. Insane.


August


--- GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20170303
* Origin: ----> Point Of VeleNo BBs (http://www.velenobbs.net) (2:333/808.7)

Hello August!

*** 15.02.20 at 16:29, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

[snip]

I also asked him about read/write access to the GoldED config file(s)
and he's working on that too.

That should be interesting.

Indeed it should and if you think OpenXP is compilcated, just wait until
you cast your eyes on the GoldED config file(s) ;-))

AAMOI, I've put the GoldED docs and a couple of sample config files up for download at ..... https://stargate.org.uk/golded

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.43
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)