But you said it was killed by Trump; that's different from when a bill fails. A bill fails when it fails to reach the senate, or when it fails
pass the senate, or when the president vetoes it.

Trump publicly asked congress to kill the bill and they obliged..

Trump is a US citizen, just like me. I ask congress to do things sometimes, an
sometimes they do what I ask, but they're not obligated to do what I say nor what former President Trump says.

Unlike you or I, Trump was again running for President and didn't want his rival (who was then Biden) to be able to take credit for fixing something. Johnson, and many others in Congress, acted on the orders from Trump to
kill the bill.

Alan is not usually right, but he is here.


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Unlike you or I, Trump was again running for President and didn't want
his rival (who was then Biden) to be able to take credit for fixing something. Johnson, and many others in Congress, acted on the orders
from Trump to kill the bill.

Alan is not usually right, but he is here.

You and Alan might both be right that Trump made a request to congress, although I have not heard or seen it. But "orders?" How does Trump "order" congress to do anything, while president or ex-president?

Also, how can you say for sure that Trump wanted the legislation passed just to boost his campaign?

The legislation called for the legalization of thousands of migrants per day. I can't blame anybody for rejecting it.

The only time Alan is ever right is when he's not talking about politics.

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Hello Alan,

If what you're saying it true, and it's definitely not, then this means
that
Trump saved America from the legalization of thousands of illegal migrants
per day.

Trump has not/will not save America.

Divine Intervention saved Trump.
Of course, somebody had to die for that to happen ...

It's up to American's to save themselves from Trump and his kind.

Trump did not need anybody to save his orange butt, as he
had Divine Intervention on his side.

Either way, Trump's a hero.

Trump is a common criminal.

Oh, come now. You know better than that.
How common is it for a criminal (convicted or not) to have fucked
a stripper while their wife is pregnant? And get caught in the act?
Please tell ...

For Life,
Lee

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Alan is not usually right, but he is here.

You and Alan might both be right that Trump made a request to congress, although I have not heard or seen it. But "orders?" How does Trump "order" congress to do anything, while president or ex-president?

Trump has control over a significant follower base. If Johnson had ignored Trump's "request," all Trump would have to do is say "RINO" and that
follower base would have been all over Johnson, or any other Republican
that didn't follow the order.

Also, do not forget that the Trump family now controls the RNC
pursestrings, much like Hillary controlled the DNC pursestrings in 2016.

So is it a direct order? No.
Does it carry the weight of an order? Yes.
Could not following that order have voter and/or financial consequences?
Yes.

Also, how can you say for sure that Trump wanted the legislation passed just t
boost his campaign?

He pretty much said as much.


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Trump has control over a significant follower base. If Johnson had ignored Trump's "request," all Trump would have to do is say "RINO" and that follower base would have been all over Johnson, or any other Republican that didn't follow the order.

Sometimes people tell people to do something that they are already in the process of doing. If my rep voted in favor of the bill, I'd be angry with my rep.

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Trump has control over a significant follower base. If Johnson had ignored Trump's "request," all Trump would have to do is say "RINO" and that follower base would have been all over Johnson, or any other Republican that didn't follow the order.

Sometimes people tell people to do something that they are already in the process of doing. If my rep voted in favor of the bill, I'd be angry with my rep.

It would have cut the flow down significantly, so I would have been ok with
it as it would have been a better compromise than doing nothing and kicking
the can down the road until Trump becomes President.

Which begs the question -- what if the makeup of Congress remains the same
but Trump doesn't win this year? Are we going to be stuck with four more
years of "doing nothing about it" so Trump can fix it in 2029?

If it is really the "crisis" that Republicans make it out to be, they
needed to do something about it then. They didn't, so they now can share
the blame for the "crisis."


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Sometimes people tell people to do something that they are already in th process of doing. If my rep voted in favor of the bill, I'd be angry wit rep.

It would have cut the flow down significantly, so I would have been ok with it as it would have been a better compromise than doing nothing and kicking the can down the road until Trump becomes President.

There was a lot of stuff in the Secure The Border Act, including plans to resume construction of the wall.

If the legislation had been signed into law, and then if we elect Trump in November, what would the process be of terminating that bill? Quick and easy? Or long and difficult?

I might be expecting too much, but I'm expecting Trump to quickly and easily secure the border, and I don't want a "3000 illegals per day is ok" clause to get in the way (I might me off on that number but it was in the thousands.)

Plus, had Biden signed it into law, then what would the migration status be of those "3000 illegals per day?" Would that mean that Trump couldn't have them deported, because they'd be protected by the Secure The Border Act?

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