Hello Aaron!

08 Aug 24 15:25, you wrote to me:

Exhibit D: Gas prices have quadrupled since Biden was

elected.

What? None of that has anything to do with "the nominee doesn't
even pick his/her own running mate"

I thought you were asking for proof that "the world's elite make all
the decisions." Proof that "leftists don't choose their presidential candidate" is evident with the fact that there was no primary. It's
great that you prefer Kamala over Biden, but is that great for all the other leftists? What about Andrew Cuomo, Al Franken, and Anthony
Weiner? They had no voice in this.

Once again, you did not address the "the nominee doesn't even pick his/her own running mate" statement.

That said, it appears that democrats are quit comfortable with Harris as their nominee. Polls are starting to show that your tiny-handed god-emporer is in real trouble with Harris as his opponent over Biden.


I mean, his decision to speak at the NABJ convention may not have helped. And I think yesterday he live-streamed a complete narcissistic meltdown from Mar-A-Lago. It's a bold strategy, let's see how it works out for him.

I am doing no such thing. They are two entirely different kinds
of public service, but they are BOTH service to the public. I'd
appreciate if laws were put in place to make the latter a bit
more public-serving vs the self-serving it has become.

No, you totally conflated it. "the continued that service.."

you're purposely trying to be obtuse. stop it. I explained what I meant. This is the problem with you MAGAts, you quote-mine. Find something, and take it entirely out of context, and twist it to serve your own narrative.

Hiding from his responsibilities? Like Captain Bone

Spurs? Tim

Walz served this country for 24 years in the National

Guard, then

continued that service in Congress, and now as governor of
Minnesota.

Like Walz is a hero for serving the country in the National Guard, and
he continued being a hero by becoming a career-politician afterwards.

I used to be a janitor at a public high school. By your standards, I should be getting veteran benefits for it.

You should be getting a pension for it, at least.

Mike


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Hello Alan,

The GOP held a primary before DEMOCRATICALLY nominating Donald Trump for
presidential nominee.

Democracy happen on election day.

What happens next will be the interesting part.

Now it's come to everyone's attention that Tim Walz has stolen valor by
lying
about his participation in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Tim Walz, stolen valor? ;)

Trying to make something stick?

How Trump's bone spurs these days?

Rich guy got a medical deferment.
Working stiff was eligible for retirement
after serving for 24 years and submitted
his retirement papers *before* his unit
received orders to deploy - and then he
continued his service as a member of
Congress.

Which one are you more proud of?

For Life,
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Hello Paul,

[..]

The upcoming election is disgusting - regardless, Americans don't win... and
jesus christ if Harris gets through we freaking lose.

Don't thank Jesus. Thank the American people.

I don't know that I can manage thru ANOTHER 4 years of this bullsh*t.

Not to worry. Kamala will love her black job.
Thanks to Joe for giving it to her.

For Life,
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Hello Aaron,

[..]

Tim Walz, stolen valor? ;)

Trying to make something stick?

A member of his battalion said that Tim Walz abandoned his unit immediately
before they deployed to Iraq. Are you saying that our veterans are liars?

Lemme see if I got this right -

Rich guy Donald Trump got a medical deferment as a means to avoid
serving in the Vietnam War.

Working stiff Tim Walz was eligible for retirement after 24 years
and submitted his retirement paperwork before his unit received
orders (or warning) to deploy - and then he continued his service
as a member of Congress.

Trump was chickenshit to serve (in any capacity) during the
Vietnam War. Walz was willing to serve and do his own part as
duty to country.

Duty. Honor. Country.

One has it. The other does not.

How Trump's bone spurs these days?

That's a whole different topic. Trump wasn't in the military. But Trump took
a bullet for our country, while Tim Walz was too scared to risk taking a bullet for our country, so he abandoned us. Leftists think that's cool I guess.

Benito Mussolini got clipped in the nose. And wore a bandage
for a while. Just like Trump. That makes them both blood brothers.

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Once again, you did not address the "the nominee doesn't even pick his/her own running mate" statement.

My argument was that they didn't let the voters choose a presidential nominee, and since Kamala was chosen for you, you're also getting stuck with Kamala's choice for a running mate. But none of this bothers you, because one Democrat is as good as the next.

That said, it appears that democrats are quit comfortable with Harris
as their nominee. Polls are starting to show that your tiny-handed god-emporer is in real trouble with Harris as his opponent over Biden.

Anyone who is happy with Biden's administration will be pleased to have Kamala "running things."

No, you totally conflated it. "the continued that service.."

you're purposely trying to be obtuse. stop it. I explained what I
meant. This is the problem with you MAGAts, you quote-mine. Find something, and take it entirely out of context, and twist it to serve
your own narrative.

I quoted you. "he was in the national guard, then he continued that service.."

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Working stiff Tim Walz was eligible for retirement after 24 years
and submitted his retirement paperwork before his unit received
orders (or warning) to deploy - and then he continued his service
as a member of Congress.

You have the same warped imagination as Mike M; you both think that serving in the military and serving in congress is the same thing. It's not. It's not "continued service."

I served on the volleyball team, and then I "continued that service" when I serviced my water heater. And then I went to Service Merchandise and bought an 8-track player.

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On 08 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

Just like your story the the democrats tried to kill DJT.

If the police were investigating an attempted murder, they would ask "Is there somebody who doesn't like this person?"

Indeed many "don't like" DJT.

They impeached him twice.

Rightfully so. If the GOP was the law and order party they claim to be
we could have avoided all that has happened since then.

History would disagree with you, due to DJT being acquitted - each time to counter those seething feelings of hatred executed by Democrats on their high horse - in the end those stubborn facts burned through.
It was then the American people realized it wasn't a mighty horse at all,
it was just a jackass. How embarrassing...

They bribed court judges to find him guilty of ridiculous crimes.

What!?

You're in your own little world. When there is positive news or events about Trump or Conservative winning Intel or anything that can be cross-refferenced and verified online from non-biased or neutral sites on the Internet, you would rather bury you head in the sand and when it resurfaces you
proclaim this confirmed information is not true.

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Exhibit A: Several Democrats have banned drilling.

Yes.

Exhibit B: Several Democrats are trying to ban gas-powered vehicles.

Very certainly yes.

Exhibit C: We're needlessly dependent on foreign oil.

For the most part, yes.

Exhibit D: Gas prices have quadrupled since Biden was elected.

Show your source here. Quadrupled is an exaggeration. They have gone up.
They are currently 33% higher here than they were in 2019. In some places they've supposedly doubled. I am not aware of any place in the USA where
they have gone up 4x what they were before.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

Everything that you say is precisely what the left wants people to say.

That's because Alan can't think for himself and can only parrot the talking points of his masters. That's why he drops off for while. He needs to be told what to think.

So congratulations for that. I think they will try to spare your life
when they do the next round of exterminations,

Probably not. People like Alan are disposable to the Elitists.


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Exhibit D: Gas prices have quadrupled since Biden was elected.

Show your source here. Quadrupled is an exaggeration. They have gone
up. They are currently 33% higher here than they were in 2019. In some places they've supposedly doubled. I am not aware of any place in the
USA where they have gone up 4x what they were before.

I exaggerated, but we've all seen the price go up significantly (more than a few cents per gallon.) I understand that the prices fluctuate; sometimes they go down, sometimes they go up, but when I see the prices going up steadily, and I see Biden bragging about halting construction of the Keystone pipeline, selling the federal oil reserves, and talking about purchasing Venezuelan oil, it all makes me believe that something is wrong with the picture.

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Rightfully so. If the GOP was the law and order party they claim to be
we could have avoided all that has happened since then.

History would disagree with you, due to DJT being acquitted

Acquitted? An impeachment is not a criminal proceeding and DJT was not acquitted of anything. This was a major republican failure to act.

An impeachment is simply to remore someone from office.

Donald Trump has been convicted of criminal charges and he has more charges to answer for.

each time to counter those seething feelings of hatred executed by Democrats on their high horse - in the end those stubborn facts burned through.

An impeachment or criminal charges are not "seething feelings of hatred".

It was then the American people realized it wasn't a mighty horse at all,
it was just a jackass. How embarrassing...

The republican party of today is an embarrassment to America.

DJT is something else altogether.

They bribed court judges to find him guilty of ridiculous crimes.

What!?

You're in your own little world.

Really? What court judges were bribed?

When there is positive news or events about Trump or Conservative winning Intel or anything that can be cross-refferenced and verified online from non-biased or neutral sites on the Internet, you would rather bury you head in the sand and when it resurfaces you proclaim this confirmed information
is not true.

What is this "confirmed" information you speak of?

Are you talking about the helicopter crash!

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Hello Aaron,

Working stiff Tim Walz was eligible for retirement after 24 years
and submitted his retirement paperwork before his unit received
orders (or warning) to deploy - and then he continued his service
as a member of Congress.

You have the same warped imagination as Mike M; you both think that serving
in the military and serving in congress is the same thing. It's not. It's not "continued service."

Service to countty includes the military, but not limited. As clearly
shown by Tim Walz, who continued serving his country as a member of
Congress, and as governor of Minnesota. And he wants to continue to
serve. And serve. And serve. As governor, vice president, president,
whatever capacity the American people want. Service to America and
its people is his thing. What a wonderful world to have him in it.

I served on the volleyball team, and then I "continued that service" when I
serviced my water heater. And then I went to Service Merchandise and bought
an 8-track player.

You're a dick.

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Exhibit D: Gas prices have quadrupled since Biden was elected.

Show your source here. Quadrupled is an exaggeration. They have gone up. They are currently 33% higher here than they were in 2019. In some places they've supposedly doubled. I am not aware of any place in the USA where they have gone up 4x what they were before.

I exaggerated, but we've all seen the price go up significantly (more than a few cents per gallon.) I understand that the prices fluctuate; sometimes they go down, sometimes they go up, but when I see the prices going up steadily, an
I see Biden bragging about halting construction of the Keystone pipeline, selling the federal oil reserves, and talking about purchasing Venezuelan oil,
it all makes me believe that something is wrong with the picture.

There is, no doubt, something wrong with that picture.


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Acquitted? An impeachment is not a criminal proceeding and DJT was not acquitted of anything. This was a major republican failure to act.

An impeachment is simply to remore someone from office.

Donald Trump has been convicted of criminal charges and he has more charges to
answer for.

Impeachment and removal are technically two different things in the US.
You can be impeached (by the House) without being removed (by the Senate). Removal is reserved for "treason, bribery," and other "high crimes," so an impeachment resulting in removal from office does require a crime to have
been comitted.

Trump's criminal conviction, regarding his finances, was indeed separate
from either of his impeachments. I think that is what you are
implying correctly here.

each time to counter those seething feelings of hatred executed by Democrats
on their high horse - in the end those stubborn facts burned through.

An impeachment or criminal charges are not "seething feelings of hatred".

They are not supposed to be, but they can be.


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Lee Lofaso -> Aaron Thomas skrev 2024-08-11 02:26:

As governor, vice president, president,
whatever capacity the American people want.

Noteworthy is, that after eight years as VP and then eight years as POTUS, Tim Walz will still be younger than the Orange Weirdo is today.


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I'm 76 years old now, so the window is closing. I want to be alive to see the first woman President of the United States of America.

What good does it do to measure such statistics?

If a man wins the presidential election, are women supposed to feel disrespected because of it?

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Aaron Thomas -> Bj�rn Felten skrev 2024-08-11 20:43:

I'm 76 years old now, so the window is closing. I want to be alive to
see the first woman President of the United States of America.

What good does it do to measure such statistics?

What statistics?

If a man wins the presidential election, are women supposed to feel disrespected because of it?

Holy Moley! Is that what you read out of it? No wonder you so often end up with the wrong conclusion.

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Acquitted? An impeachment is not a criminal proceeding and DJT was not acquitted of anything. This was a major republican failure to act.

You have much to learn.
In the message you are to read or ignore - I have captured the essence of Great legal minds, all of which would proclaim you to be idiot.
Just wanted to pass that along as a public service message who would take the time to be offended or take no offense and of course not be offended.

An impeachment according to
https://tinyurl.com/2p9dkh7x
An Impeachment is the process of bringing
charges against a government official for wrongdoing. A trial may be held, and the official may be removed from office. My point is that these baseless efforts failed. Twice, with the acquittals.

Donald Trump has been convicted of criminal charges and he has more charges to answer for.

Trumps supporters are only growing larger from what they were.
These "so called charges" that you speak have back fired and to coin a phrase "Big League" The Charges... had a complete opposite effect of what they intended do. The plan was to destroy Trump with this fever pitch rhetoric.
The plain and simple truth is the Left painted Trump with a broad brush with their haste, and they screwed up... So Bad.. (Christopher Walken)

Trump for 77 years was a golden to everyone, he had a great presidency
(Yes I do have that list of accomplishments and it is long.)
Out no where Trump *WAS* facing a Frankenstein ruling in New York.
A long dead misdemeanor being brought to life by bootstrapping on to a Federal + plus another crime that Alvin Cheeseburger Brag has even to date of today August 11th 2024 has not still disclosed.

You can't make this stuff up.
by Jonathan Turley, Opinion Contributor - 05/11/24 10:30 AM ET https://tinyurl.com/4zebd3bs
"I see dead people Alvin Brags case against Trump goes paranormal"

I see dead people. Before this week, that claim was most associated with the nine-year-old character Cole Sear from the 1999 film, The Sixth Sense. But now it is one of the talents claimed by former adult film actress Stormy Daniels in her bizarre testimony in Manhattan during former President Donald Trump's trial.

It turns out that speaking to the dead was one of the few relevant things Daniels had to offer in the case, which is now on a collision course with a motion for acquittal before the case even goes to the jury.

The Daniels testimony will live in infamy in the annals of criminal justice. For two days, she offered lurid and completely irrelevant details whose only possible purpose was to humiliate Trump. Admitting that she was coached by the prosecution in her testimony, it was clear that she was there not to win a case but to win an election. Judge Juan Merchan [who kind of looks like the infamous Frankenstein] allowed this legal burlesque to unfold in his courtroom, later blaming defense counsel who had vociferously objected to her appearance and the scope of the examination.

The cross examination was devastating. It shattered her laughable claim that she had not really been seeking money in shaking Trump down for a non-disclosure agreement, a claim contradicted by her own former lawyer. Daniels also revealed that she had spoken with the dead, and that a ghost had once held her boyfriend under water in a bathtub. She also said that she lived in a haunted house, only to discover later that the spirit haunting it was actually a large possum.

In a case based on a dead misdemeanor and a rapidly falling heart rate on the manufactured felony, one can understand the appeal of witnesses who can speak for the dead. Indeed, Daniels' graphic testimony may prove the moral high point of this trial, since serial perjurer and disbarred attorney Michael Cohen is scheduled to testify Monday.

Cohen recently broke his pledge, midway through the trial, to stop attacking and taunting Trump. Cohen has insisted that he deserves the protection of the gag order by Judge Merchan as a witness, despite serious constitutional concerns. Merchan continues to threaten Trump with jail if he responds to Cohen's unrelenting attacks. Merchan waited for the weekend before his testimony to suggest that the prosecutors tell Cohen to stop the public antics.

But it remains unclear what the order is protecting Cohen from. Not only is he trolling for money on social media with reference to the trial, but he is also widely being attacked by others. It is only Trump who cannot address his attacks, including political opposition to his campaign.

Cohen's testimony will be the culmination of this travesty of a trial. But Bragg already jumped the shark with Daniels. After three weeks, legal experts are still debating what the crime was that Trump was seeking to conceal by recording payments for a standard non-disclosure agreement as a legal expense. (That is the same characterization used by Hillary Clinton's campaign for its funding for the infamous Steele dossier.)

It is still unclear that Trump even knew how the payments were characterized, and the alleged false record was not even created until after the election was over. Yet he stands accused of using the false business records to somehow steal or rig an election that was already over.

After this circus with Cohen is complete, Trump will be allowed to testify. He would be insane to do so. Merchan has already said that he will allow a broad scope to cross-examination, making any appearance unlikely.

That is when Merchan will face a key test of judicial ethics. He has failed to protect the rights of the defendant from a baseless, politically motivated prosecution. He could insist that he simply felt Bragg had a right to present his case. He will soon be done and, as expected, it is entirely based on Cohen, a disbarred perjurer who will ask for his former client to be sent to prison for following his own legal advice.

After Bragg closes the prosecution's case, the defense will make a standard motion for dismissal. Merchan should grant that motion.

There has been no showing of an actual crime, let alone a clear record tying Trump to key decisions or actions.

Merchan will then have to decide whether he has the courage that Bragg lacked. Bragg knew that this case was ridiculous. The Justice Department had declined any prosecution for a federal campaign finance violation, the theory referenced in the case. Indeed, it did not even seek a civil fine over the payments. Bragg's predecessor had also REJECTED the prosecution.

When Bragg took over, he similarly balked and stopped the move toward an indictment. But two prosecutors in his office, Carey R. Dunne and Mark F. Pomerantz, then resigned and started a public pressure campaign to get New Yorkers to demand prosecution.

Pomerantz went even further and took an action that some of us viewed as deeply unethical and unprofessional. Over the objections of his own former office and colleagues, he published a book on the case against Trump then still under investigation and not charged, let alone convicted. It was a pressure campaign directed at Bragg. In New York, Bragg knew that he would either have to indict Trump or forget about reelection.

Merchan will now have to make the same choice in yielding to politics or principle or to the paranormal. He has already allowed every effort to bring this dead misdemeanor back to life. But even Stormy Daniels may not be able to serve as a Merchan's medium in reaching back eight years.

Jonathan Turley is the J.B. and Maurice C. Shapiro Professor of Public
Interest Law at the George Washington University Law School.

The republican party of today is an embarrassment to America.

No that would be the Democratic Party, which is the origin party of Slavery.

The Inconvenient Truth about the Democratic Party.
by Carol Swain - professor of political science and law at Vanderbilt University, for Prager University.
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Gregory Deyss -> Alan Ianson skrev 2024-08-12 02:51:

You have much to learn.

Famous words from someone from the D-K club.


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I'm 76 years old now, so the window is closing. I want to be alive
see the first woman President of the United States of America.

What good does it do to measure such statistics?

What statistics?

Being the 1st of a demographic to do something - it's a statistic.

Jesse Ventura is a propagandist. He made it sound like gender is an important quality for a president when it's not.

I'm not blaming you for it. It's just these damn celebrities who trigger me all the time. I'd like for Jesse Ventura to be the first male celebrity to keep his politics to himself.

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Acquitted? An impeachment is not a criminal proceeding and DJT was not
acquitted of anything. This was a major republican failure to act.

You have much to learn.
In the message you are to read or ignore - I have captured the essence of Grea
legal minds, all of which would proclaim you to be idiot.
Just wanted to pass that along as a public service message who would take the time to be offended or take no offense and of course not be offended.

An impeachment is to remove someone from office.

There may be criminal charges as well, as we see with DJT today.

Donald Trump has been convicted of criminal charges and he has more
charges to answer for.

Trumps supporters are only growing larger from what they were.
These "so called charges" that you speak have back fired and to coin a phrase "Big League" The Charges... had a complete opposite effect of what they intended do. The plan was to destroy Trump with this fever pitch rhetoric. The plain and simple truth is the Left painted Trump with a broad brush with their haste, and they screwed up... So Bad.. (Christopher Walken)

This was not "the left" as you say. A grand jury recommended an indictment, and a jury convicted Trump on all counts.

Trump for 77 years was a golden to everyone, he had a great presidency
(Yes I do have that list of accomplishments and it is long.)

Yes, I have seen your list. ;)

Trump's economy was not all that, or what the economy is today.

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Being the 1st of a demographic to do something - it's a statistic.

So, that's a statistic to you? Now I better understand why you always trust hearsay over statistics.

Jesse Ventura is a propagandist.

Is that worse than being a twice impeached, four times indicted, convicted felon? (Can he even vote or carry a gun now?)

He made it sound like gender is an
important quality for a president when it's not.

So, is it not important that 52% of the population finally has a representative after two and a half centuries?

Would you rather have one that shows him sinking into a total mental meltdown in front of the entire World day after day?

I'm not blaming you for it. It's just these damn celebrities who trigger me all the time.

It would be less of a waste of energy if, e.g. social injustice or wealth inequality triggered you.

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Hello Bj�rn,

As governor, vice president, president,
whatever capacity the American people want.

Noteworthy is, that after eight years as VP and then eight years as POTUS, Tim Walz will still be younger than the Orange Weirdo is today.

You have got to be kidding me. If not, you most certainly
have lost your marbles. All of them. And I mean it.

Running for president, at age 94, will be an amazing sight.

Of course, that will not happen.

We all know where the Orange Weirdo will be long before then.

For Life,
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Lee Lofaso -> Bj�rn Felten skrev 2024-08-12 13:54:

Tim Walz will still be younger than the Orange Weirdo is today.

Running for president, at age 94, will be an amazing sight.

You lost me or your calculator needs new batteries. Who will be running for precident at age 94?

Tim Walz: 60 + 8 + 8 = 76
The Don: 78 (today)
76 < 78

Capisce?


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Jesse Ventura is a propagandist.

Is that worse than being a twice impeached, four times indicted, convicted felon? (Can he even vote or carry a gun now?)

Way worse.

He made it sound like gender is an
important quality for a president when it's not.

So, is it not important that 52% of the population finally has a representative after two and a half centuries?

Men represent women, and women represent men. The only way around it would be to elect a hermaphrodite, but they're hard to find.

I'm not blaming you for it. It's just these damn celebrities who trig me all the time.

It would be less of a waste of energy if, e.g. social injustice or wealth inequality triggered you.

There's no social injustice in the USA. We have an Equal Employment Opportunity law (US gov) that prohibits discrimination in the workplace. It's been in place for decades already. The left creating a false sense of victimhood scare people into voting Democrat.

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If a man wins the presidential election, are women supposed to feel disrespected because of it?

Depends on who you listen to. I'd say no.


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An impeachment is to remove someone from office.

No it is not. It *can* result in removal in cases of treason, bribery, and "other high crimes" but that is not always the case.

Less than half of successful impeachments in the US (22) have resulted in removal from office (8). No successful Presidential impeachments in the US (4) have resulted in removal.


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An impeachment is to remove someone from office.

No it is not.

Yes it is.

Two thirds of the senate must vote in favor conviction and if convited the person is removed from office and may be forbidden from holding political office again.

These are not criminal proceedings. If someone has acted criminally then the justice department may investigate and indict etc.

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An impeachment is to remove someone from office.

No it is not.

Yes it is.

You need to brush up. Andrew Jackson, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump
(twice) were *all* impeached. *None* of them were removed from office.

Again, there have been a total of 22 federal officers impeached during the lifetime of the USA, but only 8 (who were all federal judges) were removed
from office. The other 14 were impeached but *not* removed.

Maybe in Canada it is all one thing, but in the United States, impeachment
does not automatically = removal from office.

You *seem* to understand, in other converstations, that Donald Trump was impeached, and twice at that. If your definition is correct, he would have been removed from office. Since Trump remained in office, your definition of impeachment is proven not to be correct.


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So, is it not important that 52% of the population finally has a representative after two and a half centuries?

I know plenty of women who don't believe they'd be represented by
Harris just because she is female like they are. These women are smart enough to look at Kamala's beliefs and realize that her beliefs don't align with their own.

Using your logic, they should see that she is a woman and that they are
women and that is the only reason to vote for her. Most women are not as single-minded or stupid as you make them out to be.

It would be less of a waste of energy if, e.g. social injustice or wealth inequality triggered you.

As a part of the current administration, what has Kamala accomplished to decrease social injustice or wealth inequality? During her time as a DA in
San Fransisco, what did she accomplish to decrease social injustice, in particular for men of color?


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An impeachment is to remove someone from office.

No it is not.

Yes it is.

You need to brush up. Andrew Jackson, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump
(twice) were *all* impeached. *None* of them were removed from office.

The purpose of impeachment is to remove someone from office. The senate determines the outcome of impeachment.

Maybe in Canada it is all one thing, but in the United States, impeachment does not automatically = removal from office.

I am not saying that impeachment = removal from office.

You *seem* to understand, in other converstations, that Donald Trump was impeached, and twice at that. If your definition is correct, he would have been removed from office. Since Trump remained in office, your definition of impeachment is proven not to be correct.

Impeacment is not a criminal proceeding. Someone may be impeached and removed from office or not. If crimes have been committed there may be criminal proceedings that are not part of impeachment.

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Mike Powell -> BJORN FELTEN skrev 2024-08-13 17:09:

I know plenty of women who don't believe they'd be represented by
Harris just because she is female like they are.

Of course your MAGA women friends would say that. They want the perpetrator not the procecutor.

As a part of the current administration, what has Kamala accomplished to decrease social injustice or wealth inequality?

That list is too long to write down here. Basically everything the Biden administration has accomplish includes Harris.

During her time as a DA in
San Fransisco, what did she accomplish to decrease social injustice, in particular for men of color?

Does when she, as state AG, went up against the nation's five largest mortgage firms to help deliver a landmark $25-billion national settlement for the California homeowners, count? Yes, men of colour are also homeowners sometimes.
The banks wanted to settle for less than a tenth of that, and even the Obama administration tried to convince her to accept that bid.

From a famous January 2012 phone call with JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon:
-- You're trying to steal from my shareholders! he yelled.
-- Your shareholders? *Your* shareholders? *My* shareholders are the homeowners of California! she replied.

What has Donald done? Ever. For anyone but himself and his donors.


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Hello Bj�rn,

Tim Walz will still be younger than the Orange Weirdo is today.

Running for president, at age 94, will be an amazing sight.

You lost me or your calculator needs new batteries. Who will be running for
precident at age 94?

Tim Walz: 60 + 8 + 8 = 76
The Don: 78 (today)
76 < 78

Capisce?

Tim Walz: 60 + 8 yrs as VP + 8 yrs as POTUS = 76
The Don: 78 (today) + 8 yrs as nobody + 8 yrs as nobody = 94

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Hello Alan,

An impeachment is to remove someone from office.

No it is not.

Yes it is.

You need to brush up. Andrew Jackson, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump
(twice) were *all* impeached. *None* of them were removed from office.

The purpose of impeachment is to remove someone from office.

Articles of impeachment are filed in the House of Representatives.
A vote is taken. If the majority votes in favor, the person in question
is impeached. If there is no majority, the motion of impeachment fails.

The senate determines the outcome of impeachment.

The vote in the House of Representatives determines the outcome
of impeachment. If the motion passes, the individual is impeached.
If the motion fails, the individual is not impeached.

The senate has nothing to do with the matter. If the motion passes
in the House, the individual is impeached. What the Senate does is a
separate matter, as it acts as a "court" to decide whether or not to
remove the individual from office. With the Chief Justice of the
Supreme Court presiding over the "trial" - thus ensuring fairness.

Maybe in Canada it is all one thing, but in the United States, impeachment
does not automatically = removal from office.

I am not saying that impeachment = removal from office.

It is part of a process.

You *seem* to understand, in other converstations, that Donald Trump was
impeached, and twice at that. If your definition is correct, he would have
been removed from office. Since Trump remained in office, your definition
of impeachment is proven not to be correct.

Impeacment is not a criminal proceeding.

It can be, in cases of treason.

Someone may be impeached and removed from office or not.

Impeachment is a form of indictment. An accusation. That in and of
itself is not a conviction, or a sentence.

If crimes have been committed there may be criminal proceedings that are not
part of impeachment.

Crimes? What crimes? The US Supreme Court has ruled the president
has immunity and can do whatever he wants. In his official capacity.

The very thought of that should make you quake in your Canadian boots.

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Tim Walz will still be younger than the Orange Weirdo is today.

The Don: 78 (today) + 8 yrs as nobody + 8 yrs as nobody = 94

What part of the "than the Orange Weirdo is today" did you not understand?

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An impeachment is to remove someone from office.

No it is not.

Yes it is.

You need to brush up. Andrew Jackson, Bill Clinton, and Donald Trump (twice) were *all* impeached. *None* of them were removed from office.

The purpose of impeachment is to remove someone from office. The senate determines the outcome of impeachment.

An impeachment is like an indictment. Just like you can be indicted but
never found guilty, you can be impeached and not be removed from office.

Maybe in Canada it is all one thing, but in the United States, impeachment does not automatically = removal from office.

I am not saying that impeachment = removal from office.

Yes, you did. It is above and repeated here:

An impeachment is to remove someone from office.

I knew we'd land soon enough on "I didn't say that" once you realized you
were mistaken.

Impeacment is not a criminal proceeding. Someone may be impeached and removed from office or not. If crimes have been committed there may be criminal proceedings that are not part of impeachment.

True in the sense that it does not occur in the criminal court system.
However, removal from office does rest on the House's ability to convince
the Senate that criminal acts (treason, bribery, other "high crimes") have
been committed. The Senate does not have the power to remove someone who
has not committed these criminal acts, even if the house decided to impeach them.


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I know plenty of women who don't believe they'd be represented by
Harris just because she is female like they are.

Of course your MAGA women friends would say that. They want the perpetrator not the procecutor.

(1) they are not all MAGA -- far from it. I live in an area that is still
blue (in a mostly red state), where people (especially women) are more likely still registered Democrats, but where people are also religiously and fiscally conservative.

(2) including you previous point, which you deleted here, you are
basically implying here that MAGA women are the ones who actually pay
attention to issues, while all other women are only going to be concerned with what sex the candidate is.

I, on the other hand, believe that most women (MAGA or otherwise) are going
to be smart enough to look beyond "what sex is the candidate" and vote on issues. So, yes, some may vote for Kamala based on issues, while others will vote against her, also based on issues.

It appears I have more confindence in women to think for themselves, and be aware of what issues are important to them, than you do.

P.S. for the record, I can only think of one "MAGA woman" that I even
know, and she isn't from my area. Most of the others don't really like
Trump but are worried about what a Harris Presidency might do to the
country. Again, issues...


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Mike Powell -> BJ”RN FELTEN skrev 2024-08-14 16:29:

Most of the others don't really like
Trump but are worried about what a Harris Presidency might do to the country. Again, issues...

If they don't care about having the right to make decisions about their own bodies, or the right to contaceptives or IVF, then they must be brainwashed MAGA women or old spinsters.

Wish them luck when the MAGAlomaniacs do not just grab them by the pussy, but reach all the way up in their uterus. Harris will never do that...


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Yes, you did. It is above and repeated here:

An impeachment is to remove someone from office.

Well Mike, if you want to remove some one from office what do you do?

Impeach them!

I knew we'd land soon enough on "I didn't say that" once you realized you were mistaken.

That is what I said!

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On 14 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

Well Mike, if you want to remove some one from office what do you do?

Impeach them!

Well Alan... there are 2 steps to the process ... Impeach, the house, and convict, the senate.

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Well Mike, if you want to remove some one from office what do you do?

Impeach them!

Well Alan... there are 2 steps to the process ... Impeach, the house, and convict, the senate.

Well Joe, this is what I said!

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Wish them luck when the MAGAlomaniacs do not just grab them by the pussy, but reach all the way up in their uterus. Harris will never do that...

Under Harris, no one will be able to afford to do any of that.


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Well Alan... there are 2 steps to the process ... Impeach, the house, and convict, the senate.

Well Joe, this is what I said!

Only after it was pointed out that you were wrong.


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Hello Bj�rn,

Tim Walz will still be younger than the Orange Weirdo is today.

The Don: 78 (today) + 8 yrs as nobody + 8 yrs as nobody = 94

What part of the "than the Orange Weirdo is today" did you not understand?

Let me see if I can do a recount. In English rather than in Cajun -

Tim Walz 60 + 8 (Veep) + 8 (Prez) = 74
Orange Weirdo 78 (discovers fountain of youth) = 78

There.
Correction made.
Feel better?

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On 14 Aug 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

Well Joe, this is what I said!

Alan you made, implied, it was a step process. Trump impeached twice and never convicted. Will be the 47th president of the United States.

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On 15 Aug 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

Under Harris, no one will be able to afford to do any of that.

Abortions will be free...

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Mike Powell -> BJ-RN FELTEN skrev 2024-08-15 15:37:

Under Harris, no one will be able to afford to do any of that.

Oh, so now you can see into the future as well? Did you remember to pay the annual subscription fee for your crystal ball?

But you don't need a crystal ball to know what the future will look like for you with the two weirdos in power.

All you have to do is look back four years to see what happened when weirdo number one left office and understand that's where he will continue.

But you would never be bothered to read Schedule F or the Project 2025 bible, where it can be seen in clear writing. You'd instead take the MAGAlomaniacs' word for it, right?



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Well Joe, this is what I said!

Only after it was pointed out that you were wrong.

Don't be silly.

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Well Joe, this is what I said!

Alan you made, implied, it was a step process.

My point is simply the impeachment is to remove someone from office.

Trump impeached twice and never convicted.

Good job Sherlock!

Will be the 47th president of the United States.

I don't think so but we'll know after election day.

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Hello Mikey,

Well Alan... there are 2 steps to the process ... Impeach, the house,

and

convict, the senate.

Well Joe, this is what I said!

Only after it was pointed out that you were wrong.

Without an impeachment, there can be no trial, dumbfuck.

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Under Harris, no one will be able to afford to do any of that.

Abortions will be "free"...

Fixed it for you. Someone will pay for them, and I am pretty sure that the administration will take great joy knowing that some of the taxpayers who
are footing the bill have religious objections to the practice.


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Only after it was pointed out that you were wrong.

Don't be silly.

I am not. You kept argueing with us that it was one way, and then changed
your tune, pretending that it what you were always saying.

You are the silly one. I never knew where the phrase "He wouldn't know his
ass from a hole in the ground" came from, but now I am 100% convinced that someone who had to deal with you coined that phrase.


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On 16 Aug 2024, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Without an impeachment, there can be no trial, dumbfuck.

Lee don't be an ass and call people a DumbF*%k... When one can say your insults are projection of your own self-loathing.

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/impeachment.htm

I referenced the US governments page on impeachment.

Impeachment is a multi-step process that STARTS with a vote in the house, simple majority vote will do it. The House is to investigate the reasons behind the vote... The present this evidence to the Senate and the senate has a TRIAL... Which is part of the same PROCESS.

:Start
The United States Constitution provides that the House of Representatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment" (Article I, section 2) and "the Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments... [but] no person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present" (Article I, section 3). The president, vice president, and all civil officers of the United States are subject to impeachment.

BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE...

The Constitution requires a two-thirds vote of the Senate to convict, and the penalty for an impeached official upon conviction is removal from office. In some cases, the Senate has also disqualified such officials from holding public offices in the future. There is no appeal. Since 1789 about half of Senate impeachment trials have resulted in conviction and removal from office.
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Impeachment is a process that has 2 major events. First being an investigation and subsequent vote in the House. The second phase is the trial and subsequent conviction or acquittal.

A 2 step process of which you acknowledgment 1 part to help support some claim about something that has nothing to do with anything.

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Don't be silly.

I am not. You kept argueing with us that it was one way, and then changed your tune, pretending that it what you were always saying.

The purpose of impeachment (successful or not) is to remove someone from office.

Don't be silly.

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On 16 Aug 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

Abortions will be "free"...

Fixed it for you. Someone will pay for them, and I am pretty sure that the administration will take great joy knowing that some of the taxpayers who are footing the bill have religious objections to the practice.

Here's the problem... The Democrats believe its free if they use tax payers money to fund it.

Yep, that is what I was getting at. ;)

If the left want free abortions there are enough mechanisms out there that could handle it... All the baby-killingh lovers can send money and it not even
be a political question..

You've actually hit on something here that turned me pro-choice. Most
people who are pro-life will talk about all the "innocent children" but, if
you point out to them that they need to either be willing to adopt a few of these "saved innocent children," or allow their tax dollars to go to
supporting them, you quickly find out that most of them want nothing to do
with that, either.

That tells me their objections to abortion have nothing to do with the "innocent children."

I don't mind the objections to having tax dollars going to fund abortions,
but the push to make them completely illegal goes beyond that. If they
aren't willing to chip in and do their part to raise these kids, then they
need to accept that abortion happens.


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On 17 Aug 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

You've actually hit on something here that turned me pro-choice. Most people who are pro-life will talk about all the "innocent children" but, if you point out to them that they need to either be willing to adopt a few of these "saved innocent children," or allow their tax dollars to go to supporting them, you quickly find out that most of them want nothing
to do with that, either.

That tells me their objections to abortion have nothing to do with the "innocent children."

I don't mind the objections to having tax dollars going to fund
abortions, but the push to make them completely illegal goes beyond
that. If they aren't willing to chip in and do their part to raise
these kids, then they need to accept that abortion happens.

I have some mixed feelings on tis...

I am pro life, not hard line, none the less pro life. My FEELINGS are this... Like when Roe was first in the system they said LEGAL, RARE & SAFE... it became Not Rare and late-term... up to and including the day of birth... for any reason.

I believe if you were to have an abortion that it should be done when the fetus, AKA Baby, resembles a clump of cells. Even most liberal European countries have limits, like the first trimester... Instead we have the left's idea where you can end a pregnancy up to and including the day of delivery... for any reason.

BTW, I actually saw the interview with the old Governor of Virginia, not the current one, where he talked about aborting babies who are already born...

Today women have access to birth control. They have access to all kinds of support if they choose to have the baby. They can get child support frrom the Baby Daddy... In fact there are some women who get paid from several Baby Daddies and are making a good living collecting checks.... I wandered there. It is not the early 1900s...

If you can't get your sh!t together withing the first trimester you need to carry it to term and adopt it out... or give the father a chance to raise it.

People who are pro life should not be on the hook for killing babies... There are several left-wing groups who'd be willing to pay.

We've lost the culture here... We can't put the toothpaste back into the tube...

The overturning of Roe didn't make it illegal to have an abortion... like the 10th Amendment says...

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The current state of affairs is more in line with the Constitution where the States and the People will vote on their views on the matter.

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On 18 Aug 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

I agree it should be rare and early. Many/most states where abortion is no longer legal had restrictions on when an abortion could happen.

"Day of delivery" is questionable. Once they are in labor, they are in labor and the baby is going to be delivered. No states allow
infanticide.

Abortion is legal in all 50 states. What is different now is there are states that won't do it after so many weeks ...a few are even looking at heart beat rule. If you really want to kill your baby you have options

There was a time California was offering taxpayer funded flights for anyone who wanted an abortion... Sometimes the distance between states is a short drive... Maybe you live in Indiana and you had to drive to Illinois because of law variations... You still get the abortion...

Women have all kinds of support. Women can have sex with as many partners as they want. Shaming women for open sexuality is a thing of the past... for the most part.

They have access to all kinds of contraception, all kinds.

If they want an abortion they have access... No matter where you are you can get one.... Some states you'll have to act early where as some you get get them up to 15 months, no questions.

If you go ahead with the baby. The baby daddy will be on the hook to pay for the next 25 years...

Women now have no fault divorce... Some poor bastard falls in love with the wrong women and she takes the kids and house and he looses everything and has to work like a bastard to keep everything a float... sleeping on a mattress on the floor while she's banging a new friend in the house he still paying for.

And all I think... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... If you want an abortion do it in the first trimester... if you need on after that point there needs to be a reason.

Abortion is back in the news today...

Headline...

Planned Parenthood Reaches a New Low: Bus Traveling to DNC Will Offer Free Abortions and Vasectomies at DNC in Chicago

Yes that's right... They are offering free abortions and vasectomies at the DNC.

They were not talking about viable births. The discussion at that point would be do we let the non-viable born baby die naturally, or extend its life with pallative care until the parents are ready to pull the plug.

Just like with any other dying person.

Problem is I heard it myself. A Dr should through everything he knows into saving lives. I understand old people may have "Do Not Resuscitate" orders on their records... I understand that.

You don't take a new born baby make it comfortable while you talk to mom about killing it.

I agree. It is no longer a national matter but a matter in each state. That said, I can see which party it is that tries to push their morals so hard on everyone else that they've not only made abortion completely illegal, they got in a hurry, screwed up, and made things like IVF and
"if the mother's health is at risk" also illegal (HINT: They were not Democrats).

I an also see which party, in my state, was running a candidate who
wanted to track the movements of women of child bearing age to make sure they didn't travel to states where abortion is still legal (HINT: he
was not a Democrat and he lost).

If something is against your religion and morals, don't do it.

If something is against your religion and morals, and you don't want anyone to do it, then you had better be willing to adopt a lot of kids
or have your tax money going to support them. You cannot have both.
For those who think they can have both, then it is not about their religion, morals, or "the children" but their own meanness.

The US is the only country that guarantees individual rights... I know of no other that has the setup like the US has.

I understand fully that there is a women who is the "Host" of the pregnancy and there are somethings to consider. But at some point someone has to ask themselves where does life begin... and when asking that question one should ask when does that life get afforded their constitutional rights.

These are honest questions.

I recall a few years back that some state wanted to charge someone for double homicide because they killed a pregnant woman. The left fought this tooth and nail because they didn't want the president of calling an unborn fetus a "person" in the criminal courts because in doing so might backfire on the abortion industry.

There is a statistic that is always misquoted... ~ 70% of Americans support abortions... That number is true when you have them early... Once you go stupid and try to have them latter... like at or on the day of birth that number drops dramatically... Maybe only Hillary Clinton and a few of her aides.

I wished it was like years ago... Safe, rare and legal... BTW, I heard an old video of Hillary saying that as they were talking about the abortion truck going to the DNC.

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Abortion is legal in all 50 states. What is different now is there are states >that won't do it after so many weeks ...a few are even looking at heart beat >rule. If you really want to kill your baby you have options

No it is not. Just looking at my state, states that surround it, and a
couple of others I am aware of because they've been in the news:

*Illegal* in Kentucky, since August, 2022 unless there is a
proven risk of possible death or permanent injury to the mother. There is
no rape or incest exception.

*Illegal* in Missouri except in cases of medical emergency. No rape
or incest exceptions.

*Illegal* in Alabama since June, 2022, unless there is a serious
health risk to the mother. There is no rape or incest exception. IVF is
also on shaky ground there as frozen embryoes are considered living children.

*Illegal* in West Virginia except in cases of rape, incest, fatal
fetal abnormalities, or when the mother's life is at risk.

*Illegal* in Tennessee, "from the moment of fertilization," unless the
mother's life is at risk or if the mother has a "serious risk of substantial, irreversable impairment of a major bodily function." No apparent excetions
for rape or incest.

*Illegal* in Indiana unless fatal fetal abnormalitis are detected; if
the life or physical health of the mother are at risk; or within the first
10 weeks in the case of rape or incest.

*Legal* in Ohio up until the point of "fetal viability," and this is
a part of their state constitution.

*Legal* in Virginia until the end of the second trimester.

*Legal* In Illinois, and I could not find any mention of restriction,
other than infaticide is illegal.

*Legal* in your home state of Florida, *if* it happens within the first 6 weeks; within the first 15 weeks if the women can prove the pregnancy was the result of rape, incest, or human trafficking; before the third trimester if 2 doctors certify a fetal abnormality or; at any time, with a doctor's certification, if the mother faces issues similar to the health exceptions
that Tennessee allows.

IMHO, Ohio got it right. Maybe Virginia got it right. The other states
are too restrictive, except Illinois which may not be restrictive enough.

There was a time California was offering taxpayer funded flights for anyone wh
wanted an abortion... Sometimes the distance between states is a short drive..
Maybe you live in Indiana and you had to drive to Illinois because of law variations... You still get the abortion...

So now you are admitting it might be illegal in some states?

As I pointed out before, we had a Republican governor's candidate here, who made it to the general election, that wanted to track (and restrict) the movements of women of child bearing age to make sure they didn't travel to Illinois or Virginia. His supporters supported that idea. Luckily he lost.

Also, although it is legal in some states, where you have to drive to in
order to get one might make things difficult. When it was legal in
Kentucky, there was only *one* clinic, in Louisville, that would perform abortions. Towards the time it became illegal, there were two, both in Louisville. There were plenty of other places that masqueraded as
"clinics" but that wouldn't actually provide abortions to women who showed
up there. Most of them didn't even have doctors on staff.

You also have to have someone willing to travel with you, who can drive,
which brings us to...

Women have all kinds of support.

Support depends on whether or not baby daddy accepts that it is his,
and what your family (especially parents) think of a potential
out-of-wedlock kid, and whether or not you can find someone willing to
drive you to and from whatever city in whatever state that actually will
allow you to get the procedure done.

Women can have sex with as many partners as
they want. Shaming women for open sexuality is a thing of the past... for the
most part.

I think some of this depends on where you live. Not being shamed is not a thing of the past here. Maybe in Florida it is, but not in most of the South, or Midwest.

They have access to all kinds of contraception, all kinds.

This also depends some on where you live, whether or not you can take birth control pills (some women cannot), and also whether or not your partner is willing to use the types available to him.

If you go ahead with the baby. The baby daddy will be on the hook to pay for the next 25 years...

Maybe, maybe not. I used to work with Child Support here in Kentucky, and there are a lot of ways baby daddy can get out of paying, including being violent towards mother or baby.

And all I think... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... If you want an abortion do it in the
first trimester... if you need on after that point there needs to be a reason.

I mostly agree. After the point of fetal viability, it should be
questioned.

They were not talking about viable births. The discussion at that point would be do we let the non-viable born baby die naturally, or extend its life with pallative care until the parents are ready to pull the plug.

Just like with any other dying person.

Problem is I heard it myself. A Dr should through everything he knows into saving lives. I understand old people may have "Do Not Resuscitate" orders on
their records... I understand that.

You don't take a new born baby make it comfortable while you talk to mom about
killing it.

You should if it is dying and there is no hope of saving it. Do you think
they should leave baby uncomfortable, not discuss what to do, and just wait
for baby to die?

The US is the only country that guarantees individual rights... I know of no other that has the setup like the US has.

Agreed.


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Re: Re: Women: Enough with th
By: Mike Powell to IB JOE on Sun Aug 18 2024 09:35 am

If something is against your religion and morals, don't do it.

This. I hate when people try to use religion to push policy. Like that idiot governor that required the 10 commandments to be posted in school. That should not be legal. Also irritates me when people act like you cannot be moral without also being religious. I don't need to believe in a god to know it's not right to kill people, lie, cheat, steal, etc.

Some other politician should sponsor a bill that requires the Quran to be posted in schools - using the exact same language of the commandments bill, just swapping Quran for 10 commandments. I'd love to see the religious right lose their shit over that, and I'd be curious to see how they can scream about that whilst defending the Christian version lol
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Re: Re: Women: Enough with th
By: IB Joe to Mike Powell on Sun Aug 18 2024 02:04 pm

If they want an abortion they have access... No matter where you are you can

What? That's patently false. Ever since RvW was abolished, several states jumped right onto locking it down. Alabama for example; you can't get an abortion even if it's the day after you had sex. Only exception is if the mother's life is in danger.
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On 19 Aug 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

No it is not. Just looking at my state, states that surround it, and a couple of others I am aware of because they've been in the news:

*Illegal* in Kentucky, since August, 2022 unless there is a
proven risk of possible death or permanent injury to the mother. There
is no rape or incest exception.

Wikipedia says....

Prior to 2019, Kentucky law prohibited abortions after week 22. This changed when the state legislature passed a law that moved the prohibition to week 6 in the early part of the year. A bill passed and made effective in April 2022 lowered the threshold to 15 weeks, the second most restrictive limit in effect in the United States behind Texas, and introduced regulations that made abortion illegal until it was blocked in federal court.

Anyway... Did some reading and there are states that restrict access. It doesn't change my argument though.

In a representative republic it's the people who decide. If I was all in on abortions I'd be in contact with my representative.

There has to be a happy medium between later-term and partial birth Abortions... and banning them entirely.

I think the Feds should stay out of it... but if they had to get involved they can cap things at 15 weeks with some exceptions...

So now you are admitting it might be illegal in some states?

What I did say is this... If you want to kill your baby on it's delivery day California will pay for your flight. If you don't like Texas' law move or be active with your representative and demand change

I think the laws should reflect the way the Democrats sold Abortion to us... Rare, Safe and Legal.

Again this are my feelings and beliefs. I see that I would never get exactly what I want.... and I'd be willing to concede a little on this...

Ladies... If you don't want to get pregnant don't have sex with people who can get you pregnant. If you get pregnant and don't want it get an abortion early. If you go ahead with the pregnancy there are a million options for you.

Men... If you don't want you babies killed don't have sex with someone who can get pregnant by you, she can end your child's life without your consent. AND men... Do not let that pretty $100 dress, fake nails and makeup turn into 100's of thousands of dollars in child support.

rent the stuff... BJ cost $500 pesos in the Dominican Republic... Keep your assets and enjoy life!!!

BTW... DNC is giving free abortions this week in Chicago!!!

Support depends on whether or not baby daddy accepts that it is his,
and what your family (especially parents) think of a potential out-of-wedlock kid, and whether or not you can find someone willing to drive you to and from whatever city in whatever state that actually will allow you to get the procedure done.

You should get on youtude... State does DNA tests and takes money directly from his check.

True story... I was getting a haircut... Walmart... the guy cutting my hair was talking about how his baby mamas, there was 2, were busting his balls. Someone walked and gave him an envelope... pay stub... he opened it... and all he was paid was $12 for 2 weeks of work... Baby mamas get his entire check.

I asked him nicely if he could finish my hair before he did anything else.

I seen a few too many episodes on Maury Povich were by it look like some women were making sure they had 6 baby daddies rather than 1 baby daddy for 6 babies.

There is a responsibility ti your choices. Soooooooooo many options...

Live with the consequences...

Don't have coitus if there is a chance you'll get pregnant.

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On 19 Aug 2024, Ken Nischan said the following...

What? That's patently false. Ever since RvW was abolished, several states jumped right onto locking it down. Alabama for example; you
can't get an abortion even if it's the day after you had sex. Only exception is if the mother's life is in danger.

After delving into the topic... We are a representative republic... BUG the sh!t out of your representative to make some changes.

If you get pregnant you have options... and if you still want to kill it you might have to drive a few hours.

And I have said this a few times... Planned Parenthood offering free abortions at the DNC this week. And vasectomies as well...

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Ken Nischan -> Mike Powell skrev 2024-08-19 20:42:

This. I hate when people try to use religion to push policy.

That's typical MAGA. "Only we know what's best for you. Trust us."

Like that idiot
governor that required the 10 commandments to be posted in school. That should not be legal.

It is totally illegal. The USC clearly say so. It takes a Trump-stuffed SCOTUS to change it from illegal to legal.

Also irritates me when people act like you cannot be moral
without also being religious. I don't need to believe in a god to know it's
not right to kill people, lie, cheat, steal, etc.

More specifically, the 1st amendment clearly says that you are entitled to believe whatever you want without anyone trying to convince you otherwise.

Some other politician should sponsor a bill that requires the Quran to be posted in schools

They might start by reading the Quran and then comparing it to the Bible, which is an almost verbatim copy.

I would recommend a mandatory watch and the discussion of Jamie Raskins 40 minute class about religious unconstitutionality in the US:

https://youtu.be/ashBPmx5sP4


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Hello Gregory,

Acquitted? An impeachment is not a criminal proceeding and DJT AI>was not

acquitted of anything. This was a major republican failure AI>to act.

You have much to learn.
In the message you are to read or ignore - I have captured the essence of Great legal minds, all of which would proclaim you to be idiot.

Donald Trump was successfully impeached - twice - by the US House
of Representatives. Majority vote was all that was needed - regardless
of party. And then trial was held in the US Senate. Where the accused
was convicted by majority vote. The only "failure" was (as Alan noted) republicans decision not to remove Trump from office.

Just wanted to pass that along as a public service message who would take the time to be offended or take no offense and of course not be offended.

Impeachment is forever. Kind of like indelible ink. The stain can
never be removed. And Trump managed to get two of them.

An impeachment according to
https://tinyurl.com/2p9dkh7x
An Impeachment is the process of bringing
charges against a government official for wrongdoing. A trial may be held, and the official may be removed from office. My point is that these baseless efforts failed. Twice, with the acquittals.

Trump was impeached (twice) by the US House of Representatives.
Trump was found guilty by a jury of his peers (US Senate).
He was not removed from office, which is a different matter.

Donald Trump has been convicted of criminal charges and he has more
charges to answer for.

Trumps supporters are only growing larger from what they were.

Harris' lead in the polls is growing larger from what they were.
So much so that she is in the lead, with Trump trailing badly.

But that is beside the point. Trump is a convicted felon, having
been found guilty of having committed criminal acts. With more
counts pending. He will be sentenced in due time, and escorted
off the stage to a galaxy far, far away ...

These "so called charges" that you speak have back fired and to coin a phrase "Big League" The Charges... had a complete opposite effect of what they intended do.

The term "convicted felon" will soon be changed to "convicted
felon sentenced to jail" - thus making things clearer for MAGA
idiots to understand.

The plan was to destroy Trump with this fever pitch rhetoric.
The plain and simple truth is the Left painted Trump with a broad brush with
their haste, and they screwed up... So Bad.. (Christopher Walken)

We tried to draft Christopher Walken for President. He is from
Queens, and speaks fluent Y'at. But Kamala is bitch, and Walken
turned it down.

Trump for 77 years was a golden to everyone, he had a great presidency (Yes I do have that list of accomplishments and it is long.)
Out no where Trump *WAS* facing a Frankenstein ruling in New York.

Dr. Frankenstein's monster was done away with, and now we will soon
have a black woman as POTUS. And what a wonderful world that will be.

But before then, time for some amusement -

Aaron Rodgers' second attempt to jumpstart the New York Jets.
His first outing only lasted a few short plays. Could not even
get a single first down. Maybe this time around he will last
a bit longer. Might even complete a pass.

For Life,
Lee

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Just wanted to pass that along as a public service message who would the time to be offended or take no offense and of course not be offend

Impeachment is forever. Kind of like indelible ink. The stain can
never be removed. And Trump managed to get two of them.

What will also be remembered is the democrats w/ their seething hatred along with their but-hurt feelings who rushed to judge an innocent man.
Crying and sobbing they stepped on to their high house only to be pushed off of it via the acquittals.

This is really old news now.
Your attempt to pull something out of this is pointless.
Due to the outcome of how it ended. It remains a Win for us and still is a loss for you and for people who think just like you do.
If you really want to get that lump of agony in your throat all over again.
So be it.

The Trump administration has released an unclassified transcript of President Trump's July phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky:

https://tinyurl.com/3ybjh4s8

Quid Pro Quo Joe:
Biden Brags About Getting Ukraine Prosecutor Viktor Shokin Fired https://tinyurl.com/3mrchsd6

Recording of calls between Joe Biden and ex-Ukraine President Poroshenko leaked | New York Post
https://tinyurl.com/3skcmftb

The first charged the President with abuse of power, alleging that he had used the powers of his office to solicit Ukraine's interference in the 2020 election and had conditioned official acts, such as the release of military aid to Ukraine and a White House visit, on President Zelenskyy agreeing to announce the investigations. "President Trump," the article alleged, "engaged in this scheme or course of conduct for corrupt purposes in pursuit of personal political benefit."

Trump being aware of what Biden did illegally, he did not want to same corruption to continue to occur.

How is what Joe Biden did any different and why is he given a pass, when there is video-graphic evidence of Biden committing Quid Pro Quo.
Again in case you missed it.
https://tinyurl.com/3mrchsd6

The second article charged the President with obstruction of the House impeachment investigation by directing the "unprecedented, categorical, and indiscriminate defiance of subpoenas issued by the House of Representatives."11 "This abuse of office," the article alleged, was "subversive of constitutional government" and "nullif[ied] a vital constitutional safeguard vested solely in the House of Representatives."12

Donald Trump has been convicted of criminal charges and he has more
charges to answer for.

That is crok too, it's for the billboards and also largely so that these deranged democrats can go around and spit again and and again
"convicted felon."
Why? In hope of hopes that this will resonate and stick come election day. Instead... It has backfired and blew up in their face.
People aren't as stupid as the left thinks.
They see the smear campaign by the left.
It's all done to evoke fear - page ripped out of the Democratic play book.

Trumps supporters are only growing larger from what they were.

Harris' lead in the polls is growing larger from what they were.
So much so that she is in the lead, with Trump trailing badly.

Harris is a circus -
That CNN sit down with Harris did not go as well.
It was a 40 minute interview edited down to 14 minutes by CNN.
There are many videos which analyze facial expressions - pressed annoyed lips and odd head movements, when answering CNN'S Dana Bash.
No one is going to fooled by this flip flopping kamala Karma Chameleon.

Trump for 77 years was a golden to everyone, he had a great presidenc (Yes I do have that list of accomplishments and it is long.)
Out no where Trump *WAS* facing a Frankenstein ruling in New York.

Dr. Frankenstein's monster was done away with, and now we will soon
have a black woman as POTUS. And what a wonderful world that will be.

Just as wonderful as the first Black man as President...
We all saw how that turned out.
This moron started America's road to ruin.
which is why Trump will Make America Great again.

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