The democrats (and others) used the word felon correctly.

Nope... Trump is NOT a felon... Did he vote for himself in 2024?? YUP... because he's not convicted yet...

He was convicted on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records.
Even if that case is under appeal, he is a felon until if/when it
is appealed.

Judge needs to rule on the case... BUT wait there's more... And the appeals court needs to hear the appeal... If there is a conviction where it'll be thrown out.

If it is thrown out on merit, then that is a good thing. If it is thrown
out because a Trump appointed AG gets rid of it, then we cannot ever say if
he was guilty or not.

Again you knowledge of the US is spectacular once again Alan.

In this case, he seems to be talking about the conviction from earlier this year and, for once, seems to have knowledge of what he is talking about.


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I have no TDS (clue, it's not a thing). I see Donald Trump for who he is.

I think TDS is a thing. Most people accused of having it just because they question certain things Trump has done *don't* have it.

I have a college friend who posts often on FB... or, at least he did until the election was decided. He hung on Trump's every word, even more than Aaron or Joe appear to, and was constantly posting about Trump. The difference is that this friend is not a MAGA and detests "Cheeto Jesus" (his words).
Otherwise he, like the most ardent MAGAs, couldn't get enough of Trump.

IMHO, that is an unhealthy obsession with someone you don't like. Not sure what the official term for that would be but "TDS" would seem to fit the
bill in this instance.


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This is the first time a MAGA Republican is accused of pedophilia, that
I know of. But look at it this way: there's no proof. Just testimony.
"Go in there and tell them that Matt Gaetz had sex with you 10 years
ago and that he smoked crack too."

Every time someone wants a politician removed, they make sex
allegations, but there's never any proof (except when it's a Democrat.)

It wasn't that there was no proof, but there was indeed not enough for the Biden DOJ to pursue it. They ended their investigation, without charging Gaetz, in 2023.

A former friend of Gaetz was charged and plead guilty to sex trafficing
of a minor, ID theft, stalking, wire fraud, and conspiracy to bribe a
public official. This associate testified that Gaetz was involved. The
woman involved in the DOJ investigation also testified, to the House Ethics Committee, that Gaetz had sex with her when she was 17 and still in high school.

The Ethics Committee has interviewed at least 6 other women who
claimed to have attended sex parties where they were paid for their
services and where Gaetz was present. There were Venmo payments to some of these women, allegedly from Gaetz. At least one of the women testified
that the payment(s) to her were indeed for sex with Gaetz. Others have testified that they were paid to attend the parties, where Gaetz was present, and that the parties included drugs and sex.

Gaetz has tried to pass these payments off as "generosity to ex-girlfriends."

A former Gaetz girlfriend also testified that Gaetz attended a sex-and-drugs party in 2017 where the underaged girl was present.

Google "Gaetz sex crimes" and you will find this info.

My guess would be that a Gaetz-lead DOJ will be a lot less likely to ever expose the Epstein list as he could very well be on it. Maybe on the Diddy list, too.


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Assuming there is a report.

There is a report. The investigation was concluded and Gaetz was told about it and chose to resign rather than face the consequences.

In spite of Gaetz's resignation the report can be released although
MAGAs won't support that and congress can't slap him.

If they are going to release it, they'd do it before this session is over.


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On 19 Nov 2024, Alan Ianson said the following...

Trump has already been convicted. He is awaiting sentencing.

Trump voted this November and felons can't vote...

You may be called a felon after the judge sentences you. In the US there is an appeals process as well.

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On 20 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

He was convicted on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records.
Even if that case is under appeal, he is a felon until if/when it
is appealed.

Trump is a felon after the judge renders the conviction. Until then... He's not. The judge is playing with the conviction because this is all a political game.

If it is thrown out on merit, then that is a good thing. If it is thrown out because a Trump appointed AG gets rid of it, then we cannot ever say if he was guilty or not.

Alan Dershowitz, and many other Constitutional Scholars say that there are sooooooooo many reversible errors that the case will get tossed eventually... On appeal. Moreover, there is a bunch of evidence that should not have been presented in the case be cause, as per the Supreme Court, Trump had immunity on some of the evidence.

Alan Dershowitz, et al., said NY law says that the Judge has to sentence within 1 year of Jury conviction... So he can't wait until 2029. And there is a way to tackle the case if the judge tries to postpone it until 2029.

At the moment I don't see how Matt could affect a State prosecution... Matt could look into the Judge's daughter fund-raising off her daddy being the judge on Trump's case and making 10's of millions of dollars for the DNC... Get your popcorn because it does smell like election interference.

In this case, he seems to be talking about the conviction from earlier this year and, for once, seems to have knowledge of what he is talking about.

He used the word felon wasn't talking about conviction.

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I have a college friend who posts often on FB... or, at least he did
until the election was decided. He hung on Trump's every word, even
more than Aaron or Joe appear to, and was constantly posting about
Trump. The difference is that this friend is not a MAGA and detests "Cheeto Jesus" (his words). Otherwise he, like the most ardent MAGAs, couldn't get enough of Trump.

IMHO, that is an unhealthy obsession with someone you don't like. Not sure what the official term for that would be but "TDS" would seem to
fit the bill in this instance.

There's 2 strains of the TDS virus and they both have opposite effects.

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My guess would be that a Gaetz-lead DOJ will be a lot less likely to ever expose the Epstein list as he could very well be on it. Maybe on the Diddy list, too.

That's ok. Nothing will ever be perfect. If the senate rejects him then we don't have to hate them for it. Then Trump will nominate someone better.

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IB Joe wrote to Alan Ianson <=-

Trump voted this November and felons can't vote...

The Collaborative International Dictionary of English has this to say..

felon

adjective

Characteristic of a felon: malignant; fierce; malicious; cruel; traitorous; disloyal.

noun

1) A person who has committed a felony.

2) A person guilty or capable of heinous crime.

Donnie checks all those boxes.

You may be called a felon after the judge sentences you. In the US
there is an appeals process as well.

Donald Trump will take every appeal he can get, that is his MO.

Nevertheless, Donald is a convicted felon.

Ttyl :-),
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Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON <=-

I think TDS is a thing. Most people accused of having it just because they question certain things Trump has done *don't* have it.

Folks tend to say "TDS" when all else fails.

IMHO, that is an unhealthy obsession with someone you don't like. Not sure what the official term for that would be but "TDS" would seem to
fit the bill in this instance.

I tend to think of TDS as something MAGAs suffer from in spite of everthing Trump we have seen and heard since the ride down the golden escalator.

Ttyl :-),
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Re: Re: The awesome new cabin
By: IB Joe to Alan Ianson on Wed Nov 20 2024 10:02 am

Trump voted this November and felons can't vote...

His ability to vote is contingent on his voting status in New York, where he was convicted. In NY state, a felon CAN vote so long as they are not currently incarcerated. He was not in jail, so he was still eligible to vote.

You may be called a felon after the judge sentences you. In the US there is

The appeals process doesn't change anything until a ruling is made in said appeal. If you appeal a felony conviction, until the appelate court rules otherwise, you ARE a felon.
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He was convicted on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. Even if that case is under appeal, he is a felon until if/when it
is appealed.

Trump is a felon after the judge renders the conviction. Until then... He's not. The judge is playing with the conviction because this is all a

olitical

game.

I think you might be confusing the sentence with the conviction. Trump has been convicted of a felony. Whether he is sentenced to community service or jail doesn't alter the felony status of the conviction.

Alan Dershowitz, and many other Constitutional Scholars say that there are sooooooooo many reversible errors that the case will get tossed eventually... On appeal. Moreover, there is a bunch of evidence that should not have been presented in the case be cause, as per the Supreme Court, Trump had immunity

some of the evidence.

Alan Dershowitz, et al., said NY law says that the Judge has to sentence

ithi

1 year of Jury conviction... So he can't wait until 2029. And there is a way to tackle the case if the judge tries to postpone it until 2029.

Yeah, I think that is probably part of the "right to a fair trial"
protection. It would prevent NY from holding someone indefinately without finally sentencing them.

In this case, he seems to be talking about the conviction from earlier this year and, for once, seems to have knowledge of what he is talking about.

He used the word felon wasn't talking about conviction.

I have seen Alan use both, and both are true. Trump was convicted of a
felony. He has yet to be sentenced but, until/unless the case is appealed and/or tossed, he is currently convicted of a felony and is therefore a felon.


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I have a college friend who posts often on FB... or, at least he did until the election was decided. He hung on Trump's every word, even more than Aaron or Joe appear to, and was constantly posting about Trump. The difference is that this friend is not a MAGA and detests "Cheeto Jesus" (his words). Otherwise he, like the most ardent MAGAs, couldn't get enough of Trump.

IMHO, that is an unhealthy obsession with someone you don't like. Not sure what the official term for that would be but "TDS" would seem to fit the bill in this instance.

There's 2 strains of the TDS virus and they both have opposite effects.

If you are meaning that one of them is not agreeing with everything Trump
says or does, that is not TDS. Just like not agreeing with everything that Obama said and did didn't mean some of us had ODS.

An "unhealthy obsession" with someone you don't like, OTOH, is an indicator
of something wrong. Whether you call it TDS or give it a more official diagnosis, it is not good for your mental health.


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IMHO, that is an unhealthy obsession with someone you don't like. Not sure what the official term for that would be but "TDS" would seem to fit the bill in this instance.

I tend to think of TDS as something MAGAs suffer from in spite of everthing Trump we have seen and heard since the ride down the golden escalator.

Some of them also seem to suffer from an unhealthy obsession, that is for
sure.


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Trump has already been convicted. He is awaiting sentencing.

Trump voted this November and felons can't vote...

That depends on what state you live in and also may be subject to you
actually being sentenced and/or exhausting your appeals.

You may be called a felon after the judge sentences you. In the US there is

appeals process as well.

There is an appeals process but you are a convicted felon upon conviction,
not sentencing. Otherwise, someone who never exhausts their appeals would never be a felon.


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Trump voted this November and felons can't vote...

His ability to vote is contingent on his voting status in New York, where he was convicted. In NY state, a felon CAN vote so long as they are not

urrentl

incarcerated. He was not in jail, so he was still eligible to vote.

I thought as much.

You may be called a felon after the judge sentences you. In the US there

The appeals process doesn't change anything until a ruling is made in said appeal. If you appeal a felony conviction, until the appelate court rules otherwise, you ARE a felon.

This is correct. If the conviction is overturned, you are no longer a
felon. Until then, you are.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

But the timing of that allows a replacement to be selected before
Congress goes into session. So Matt is trying to be helpful there.

I just hope the GOP is prepared to win the special election.

My understanding is that, for Florida at least, the Gov gets to appoint someone. No election for this since it's to finish out Gaetz's term.

Trump's nominations, if confirmed, are going to take a lot of excellent people away from their jobs, like Doug Bergum and Kristi Noem for
example.

Trump only has 4 years to start cleaning things out, or the Elitists will cheat again and we'll be right back to where we started. He needs to use those good people now.

I know that I have to put up with this mess in Michigan for another 2 years when we kick the Tyrant out of office along with her harpies. But I'm concerned about the election fraud like they have in California.

As long as they have good replacements, it will be ok I guess. (But I don't want to see any red states being taken over by Democrats!)

As long as they are OK replacements at least, I'll be happy. But, ya, there the risk of the Elitists using that to subvert things in other areas.


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IB Joe wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Trump is a felon after the judge renders the conviction. Until then... He's not. The judge is playing with the conviction because this is all
a political game.

And a distraction from Biden's misappropriation and mishandling of classified materials.


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On 20 Nov 2024, Ken Nischan said the following...

His ability to vote is contingent on his voting status in New York,
where he was convicted. In NY state, a felon CAN vote so long as they
are not currently incarcerated. He was not in jail, so he was still eligible to vote.

He resides in Florida and his in ability to vote as a felon is exactly that...

Florida State Law...
person has completed all terms of his or her sentence. Completion of the sentence means

The sentence you needed to read... If Trump had completed all the sentencing requirements ... Went to Jail... Paid his fines... Did his probation ... finished his parole... He then can apply to vote...

Whatever.

He would become a felon once the judge sentences him. That's the movement his felon label is triggered.

They are currently playing a political game.

The appeals process doesn't change anything until a ruling is made in
said appeal. If you appeal a felony conviction, until the appelate
court rules otherwise, you ARE a felon.

Well, until the judge pulls the trigger Trump is not a felon

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On 21 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

I think you might be confusing the sentence with the conviction. Trump has been convicted of a felony. Whether he is sentenced to community service or jail doesn't alter the felony status of the conviction.

I am not confused... I have been following this. Until the judge finishes the process by sentencing him he is NOT a felon. It is that part of the process that completes it.

The Judge could, and should in this case, toss the whole thing out... This is why the sentencing is important.

Legal analysts like Jonathan Turley, Alan Dershowitz and Andrew McCarthy all say the same thing. All 3 say the same thing. Until the conviction is formalized during the sentencing process he is not convicted.

So... All 3 have said that this case will be tossed eventually because of reversible errors... Moreover, and more importantly, after the Supreme court ruling they used evidence that they shouldn't have and it'll be tossed for that.

I'm not confused. If your pedigree is better then the above mentioned experts please let me know your credentials.

BTW, NY law says he has to be sentenced within a year... they can't wait 4... And Alan Dershowitz told the Trump team, on air, the paperwork to file to go around what the judge is doing.

Yeah, I think that is probably part of the "right to a fair trial" protection. It would prevent NY from holding someone indefinately
without finally sentencing them.

It smacks of BS...

I have seen Alan use both, and both are true. Trump was convicted of a felony. He has yet to be sentenced but, until/unless the case is
appealed and/or tossed, he is currently convicted of a felony and is therefore a felon.

He is not a felon... Unless/until the judge makes it final his conviction is in limbo PERIOD. Its that last act that seals the deal

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On 21 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

That depends on what state you live in and also may be subject to you actually being sentenced and/or exhausting your appeals.

Florida... Trump voted in Palm Beach... And Felons can't vote... I did explain in a message I wrote to someone a few minutes back how Felon Trump could vote... But since he's not a felon he voted... With his HOT wife

There is an appeals process but you are a convicted felon upon
conviction, not sentencing. Otherwise, someone who never exhausts their appeals would never be a felon.

Lets look at Jussie Smollett... He was convicted and sentenced for committing a hate crime hoax. Note convicted and sentenced... He was sentenced to go to jail for 150 days. It was at this time a judge could have tossed the case because of a legal reason and made the whole process moot... But the judge didn't.

He finalized the process and sentenced him. This made Jessie a felon. Jessie has been a felon since 2019.

Today someone overturned Jessie's conviction, tossed it, for a technical legal reason... Now Jessie is not a felon, he's just a Homosexual who ruined his life.

Because the judge refuses to rule on Trump's case Trump is just a Billionaire with great hair.

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On 21 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

And a distraction from Biden's misappropriation and mishandling of classified materials.

I cannot wait to see the swamp getting drained.

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Trump voted this November and felons can't vote...

His ability to vote is contingent on his voting status in New York,
where he was convicted. In NY state, a felon CAN vote so long as they
are not currently incarcerated. He was not in jail, so he was still eligible to vote.

Are you sure? I have a friend who is a convicted felon from NY, and he's a big Trump guy, but he says that he's not allowed to vote.

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There's 2 strains of the TDS virus and they both have opposite effects.

If you are meaning that one of them is not agreeing with everything Trump says or does, that is not TDS. Just like not agreeing with everything that Obama said and did didn't mean some of us had ODS.

No I just mean that there's a population that loves Trump excessively, and there's a population that hates him excessively.

I don't think there are a lot of people who are in-between (perhaps you and a few others.) My dad has always voted Republican but he refused to vote this year because he's disappointed in Trump because over the January 6 incident.

But I think most people are either 1 extreme or the other.

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Trump's nominations, if confirmed, are going to take a lot of excelle people away from their jobs, like Doug Bergum and Kristi Noem for example.

Trump only has 4 years to start cleaning things out, or the Elitists
will cheat again and we'll be right back to where we started. He needs
to use those good people now.

I understand. Only the best will do. I hope these people take this as seriously as Trump does.

I know that I have to put up with this mess in Michigan for another 2 years when we kick the Tyrant out of office along with her harpies. But I'm concerned about the election fraud like they have in California.

You need a really good candidate. After you find one, you need that candidate to rally like crazy like Trump did. How hard would it be to visit every city in Michigan? Not very hard!

And the candidate needs to touch all the sore spots that people in your state have, and he/she needs to explain clearly to them that Wretchen won't help. You need someone with a serious strategy, someone who will stay up all night for weeks at a time trying to get through to people.

That's the Trump way and it really works!

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

I understand. Only the best will do. I hope these people take this as seriously as Trump does.

I think they do. And I think that Trump learned a great deal from the last time he was in office about how the gov't is set up today.

You need a really good candidate. After you find one, you need that candidate to rally like crazy like Trump did. How hard would it be to visit every city in Michigan? Not very hard!

Time will tell. We'll see what happens over the next 2 years.

Like I said, my concern is the instutionalized election fraud, like they have in California, that basically prevents the people from having any say.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

No I just mean that there's a population that loves Trump excessively,
and there's a population that hates him excessively.

I don't think there are a lot of people who are in-between (perhaps you and a few others.)

Personally, I think you are wrong here.

I believe that the number of people at the extremes are small.

I think most people are more in-between, running the range of "I kinda like the guy" to "he's a boor, but I like cheap gas, cheap food and no wars."

That's what shifted things for this election. The in-between people left their idological safe-spaces when Bidenomics started messing with their lives.


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IB Joe wrote to Ken Nischan <=-

Well, until the judge pulls the trigger Trump is not a felon

But that can't be true. That would completely negate the Ignorant Elitists talking point. :)


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He is not a felon... Unless/until the judge makes it final his conviction is

limbo PERIOD. Its that last act that seals the deal

You can believe what you want, but most of the rest of us know that he currently a convicted felon awaiting sentencing.


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No I just mean that there's a population that loves Trump excessively, and there's a population that hates him excessively.

I don't think there are a lot of people who are in-between (perhaps you and a few others.)

Here maybe not, but I think there are a lot of people who don't really like Trump as a person but find him a preferable choice to what the Democrats
are offering -- meaning they don't hate him enough not to vote for him, or
to vote for Harris.

My dad has always voted Republican but he refused to vote this
year because he's disappointed in Trump because over the January 6 incident.

Your dad and I may have something in common, assuming that he also didn't
vote for Bi... I mean Harris. ;)


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He resides in Florida and his in ability to vote as a felon is exactly

hat...

Florida State Law...
person has completed all terms of his or her sentence. Completion of the sentence means

The sentence you needed to read... If Trump had completed all the sentencing requirements ... Went to Jail... Paid his fines... Did his probation ... finished his parole... He then can apply to vote...

Except you are leaving out the part where, if the conviction is in another state, Florida uses that state's felony voting rights procedures. Since
Trump was conviced in New York, Florida applies New York's rules.

In 2021 New York made it legal for felons to vote so long as they are not incarcerated at the time of the election. Trump is not in jail so Trump
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His ability to vote is contingent on his voting status in New York, where he was convicted. In NY state, a felon CAN vote so long as they are not currently incarcerated. He was not in jail, so he was still eligible to vote.

Are you sure? I have a friend who is a convicted felon from NY, and he's a

ig

Trump guy, but he says that he's not allowed to vote.

Judges can decide not to strip, or permanently strip, voting rights. IIRC,
at least they can here.

Also, the 2021 NY law that made it legal for felons to vote so long as they
are not incarcerated during the election may not have been retroactive for those convicted before 2021. I am not sure about that.


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I don't think there are a lot of people who are in-between (perhaps y and a few others.)

Personally, I think you are wrong here.

I believe that the number of people at the extremes are small.

I think most people are more in-between, running the range of "I kinda like the guy" to "he's a boor, but I like cheap gas, cheap food and no wars."

That's what shifted things for this election. The in-between people
left their idological safe-spaces when Bidenomics started messing with their lives.

Yea, most people don't care about politics, or at least they didn't care until Biden gave them a reason to care. They might not have Trump flags attached to their vehicles, but I think they're gonna stick with us from here on out.

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I don't think there are a lot of people who are in-between (perhaps you few others.)

Here maybe not, but I think there are a lot of people who don't really like Trump as a person but find him a preferable choice to what the Democrats are offering -- meaning they don't hate him enough not to vote for him, or to vote for Harris.

Yea, that's what Ron says also. I realize that. There are a lot of people who don't care about politics until a politician noticeably hurts them, and that could describe the majority of voters.

My dad has always voted Republican but he refused to vote this
year because he's disappointed in Trump because over the January 6 incid

Your dad and I may have something in common, assuming that he also didn't vote for Bi... I mean Harris. ;)

Yea, he didn't do that. But I don't think he realizes that not voting equates to a vote for Harris.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

Yea, most people don't care about politics, or at least they didn't
care until Biden gave them a reason to care.

Exactly. And I've said it before: Most people just want to be left alone to live their lives. But it's become appearant that the Elitists won't permit that - because the Elitists think that they can run our lives better than we can.

They might not have Trump
flags attached to their vehicles, but I think they're gonna stick with
us from here on out.

They'll stick with him as long as he produces results.

But that's the main difference between most people and the Left. The Left can't produce results because they are all incompetent.


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Here maybe not, but I think there are a lot of people who don't really like Trump as a person but find him a preferable choice to what the Democrats are offering -- meaning they don't hate him enough not to vote for him, or to vote for Harris.

Yea, that's what Ron says also. I realize that. There are a lot of people who don't care about politics until a politician noticeably hurts them, and that could describe the majority of voters.

I would not necessarily say "hurts" although, in this case, that could be
some people. They may not like his attitude or how he belittles others,
for example, or some of the people he surrounds himself with (like, for a
few days anyway, Gaetz).

Your dad and I may have something in common, assuming that he also

idn't

vote for Bi... I mean Harris. ;)

Yea, he didn't do that. But I don't think he realizes that not voting equates to a vote for Harris.

I don't know what state he lives in but here I knew it did *not* equate to that. In 2016, OTOH, I was not so sure so I voted for Trump even though I
was not thrilled with either choice. I found him to be the preferable loudmouth to Hillary and didn't want to cast a vote that equated to voting
for her.

This time, there were a lot of local things that I really wanted to get my
vote cast on, like an Amendment that clearly states that non-citizens
cannot vote (I voted for it and it passed) and some non-partisan local government races.


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On 22 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

But that can't be true. That would completely negate the Ignorant Elitists talking point. :)

Like Project 2025 that had nothing to do with Trump they say what they say. Seems that the left are low information voters.

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On 22 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

You can believe what you want, but most of the rest of us know that he currently a convicted felon awaiting sentencing.

He's not... You might want to inform the authorities in Florida that a convicted felon voted last November.

Make sure you tell him about your Fidonet credentials to bolster your claims.

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On 22 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

Except you are leaving out the part where, if the conviction is in
another state, Florida uses that state's felony voting rights
procedures. Since Trump was conviced in New York, Florida applies New York's rules.

In 2021 New York made it legal for felons to vote so long as they are not incarcerated at the time of the election. Trump is not in jail so Trump can vote.

I was looking at the law while I was commenting to you...

From the ACLU...
:Start
I didn't You lose the right to vote in Florida if you
are convicted of a felony until you finish your
sentence, including prison, parole and/or
probation, and pay the money you were ordered
to pay by a court when you were convicted.
:Stop...

In Florida you can, as a convicted felon vote if you have served your entire sentence. Prison, parole, probation and fines are all paid up.

From the ACLU....
:Start
If you were convicted outside Florida, your
voting rights are governed by the state where
you were convicted. In many other states, you
automatically regain your voting rights when
released from prison or complete probation/
parole.
:Stop

:Start
Exception: if you were convicted in another
state of murder or sexual conduct that would
be a felony in Florida, your voting rights are
governed by Florida law.
:Stop

You can't molest a boy in Georgia, get caught and found guilty... Run to Florida and Vote for Kamala.


Felons regaining their right to vote in Florida was a more recent thing as well. Before these newer laws felons couldn't vote period. This cuts them some slack.

https://www.flgov.com/eog/leadership/people/ron-desantis/contact

^^^^^--- I left you a link so that you can contact Ron and let him know that Trump voted as a felon and had not completed his sentence... Don't forget to let him know about your FidoNET credentials

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-donald-trump-isnt-a-convicted-felon -yet/ar-BB1no6oV

Article on Trump's felony case...

Start:
On May 30, 2024, Donald Trump pulled off a historic first: he became the first former president of the United States to be found guilty of felony crimes. However, it's inaccurate to say that he's a convicted felon at this time because, well, that's just not how the law was designed. While he's guilty in his infamous hush money trial, the "convicted felon" title is still pending.
:Stop

:Start
Donald Trump's sentencing is set for July 11, 2024, just days before the Republican National Convention kicks off. So, we're in this strange limbo where he's guilty of felony crimes but not quite a convicted felon — at least not until he gets his official sentence. During sentencing, the judge will decide his fate, which could range from a slap on the wrist to time behind bars. Trump's crimes fall under the Class E felony category in New York, which is the lowest level of felony in the state. He could face a fine, probation, or up to four years in prison.
:Stop

You should read a little more and inform yourself. If you made these kinds of claims in the 80's and 90's I'd understand... But my God... The Internet debunks most of what you say in seconds....

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https://x.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1796693313417793588

Looks like Ron already knows...

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Yea, he didn't do that. But I don't think he realizes that not voting eq to a vote for Harris.

I don't know what state he lives in but here I knew it did *not* equate
to that. In 2016, OTOH, I was not so sure so I voted for Trump even though I was not thrilled with either choice. I found him to be the preferable loudmouth to Hillary and didn't want to cast a vote that equated to voting for her.

My dad lives in NY. He abstained from voting and our state was won by Harris.

I don't blame him though. Trump can only give us 4 years of relief, and I believe that the real help comes from a power higher than Trump.

This time, there were a lot of local things that I really wanted to get
my vote cast on, like an Amendment that clearly states that non-citizens cannot vote (I voted for it and it passed) and some non-partisan local government races.

That's cool! And you already have the voer ID law, so your state is making strides despite the hickup of accidentally electing Beshear.

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From the ACLU....
:Start
If you were convicted outside Florida, your
voting rights are governed by the state where
you were convicted. In many other states, you
automatically regain your voting rights when
released from prison or complete probation/
parole.
:Stop

You do realize that this proves my point, right? In New York, you are
allowed to vote so long as you are not incarcerated. So, by your quote
above, "voting rights are governed by the state where you were convicted."
So Trump was convicted in New York, is not in jail, so he is allowed to
vote.

As of 2021, New York is not one of the "many other states" that make you wait until you serve your term. You are eligible so long as you are not serving it at the time of the election in question.

Trump was not in jail on Election Day so, as a felon convicted in New York, he was eligible to vote in Florida in November, 2024.

:Start
Exception: if you were convicted in another
state of murder or sexual conduct that would
be a felony in Florida, your voting rights are
governed by Florida law.
:Stop

You can't molest a boy in Georgia, get caught and found guilty... Run to Florida and Vote for Kamala.

I was not aware that Trump was convicted of molesting boys in Georgia. He
also doesn't hit me as a potential Kamala voter but, if you say so I guess
I have to take your word for both.

Felons regaining their right to vote in Florida was a more recent thing as well. Before these newer laws felons couldn't vote period. This cuts them some slack.

https://www.flgov.com/eog/leadership/people/ron-desantis/contact

^^^^^--- I left you a link so that you can contact Ron and let him know that Trump voted as a felon and had not completed his sentence...

I am sure that Florida knows a felon convicted in New York, who is not currently incarcerated and is therefore eligible to vote in Florida, voted.
It has been all over the news.

Don't forget to let him know about your FidoNET credentials

This is funny because you are wanting me to take your word for it and yet
those are your *only* credentials. You do realize how hypocritical that is, right?

I have researched this. I have only found one source, the New York Post,
that agrees with you -- and that article is several months old. Every
other article that I found, many which site legal experts (just like you
did), says "Trump is a convicted felon."

Now, I also found a couple who say he is a convicted felon but we should
not call him that because that is not "sensitive language" and is offensive
to persons convicted of felonies. Sounds like those might be up your alley since it triggers you so much.


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I don't know what state he lives in but here I knew it did *not* equate to that. In 2016, OTOH, I was not so sure so I voted for Trump even though I was not thrilled with either choice. I found him to be the preferable loudmouth to Hillary and didn't want to cast a vote that equated to voting for her.

My dad lives in NY. He abstained from voting and our state was won by Harris.

Ours went Trump. The only two counties that Harris won were Fayette (Lexington) and Jefferson (Louisville). That was foreseeable. Honestly,
had Biden not blown the first debate and stayed on the ticket, I might not
have been as sure about it.

This time, there were a lot of local things that I really wanted to get my vote cast on, like an Amendment that clearly states that non-citizens cannot vote (I voted for it and it passed) and some non-partisan local government races.

That's cool! And you already have the voer ID law, so your state is making strides despite the hickup of accidentally electing Beshear.

I don't really think that was an accident, especially since he got
re-elected. The people here are conservatives but won't put up with ideas
that are outright cruel or stupid. Now, if the state economy had been as bad off as the national one has been, Beshear might have lost re-election.


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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

Like Project 2025 that had nothing to do with Trump they say what they say. Seems that the left are low information voters.

But we've known that for a long time now. But now even the Media... er. Propaganda Ministry can no longer ignore it.


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In Florida... A felon can vote after he's served his sentence...

Did you get it... That is there jail term, any parole and probation... AND the kicker in this case... PAID ALL FINES...

Well, since he's YET to be sentenced and she STILL OWES 100s of MILLIONS in fines he would NOT be eligible to vote in Florida, where he voted.

Other than murder and some sex crimes refers back to the original jurisdiction.

I sent you a MSN article explaining the need for a judge to finalize a conviction... It what makes a case final. Why... a judge could dismiss everything, based on law, they could alter slightly, based on law, or agree with the jury, based on law.

This judge has chosen to hear arguments to toss the case. Apparently he has until April 19th 2025 to do something, based on NY law.

Hunter's conviction is not complete yet... He can by a gun as long as he's not on drugs at the time.

I hope the new AG investigates this judge, and his daughter for profiting off this case... She raised millions for the DNC on her daddy's case.

Review https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-donald-trump-isnt-a-convicted-felon -yet/ar-BB1no6oV

Donald Trump's sentencing is set for July 11, 2024, just days before the Republican National Convention kicks off. So, we're in this strange limbo where he's guilty of felony crimes but not quite a convicted felon - at least not until he gets his official sentence. During sentencing, the judge will decide his fate, which could range from a slap on the wrist to time behind bars. Trump's crimes fall under the Class E felony category in New York, which is the lowest level of felony in the state. He could face a fine, probation, or up to four years in prison.


Please... Stop being like Alan.

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On 24 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

Like Project 2025 that had nothing to do with Trump they say what the say. Seems that the left are low information voters.

But we've known that for a long time now. But now even the Media... er. Propaganda Ministry can no longer ignore it.

Elon is "Talking" about buying MSNBC... Changing their platform from hate to fact based news.

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

Elon is "Talking" about buying MSNBC... Changing their platform from
hate to fact based news.

That would, at the same time,
1. Freak out the Ignorant Elitists.
2. Get Elon and MSNBC on the "ground floor" for actual news today.

And it would make other places, like CNN, have to compete, which would freak the Elitists out even more.


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On 26 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

Elon is "Talking" about buying MSNBC... Changing their platform from hate to fact based news.

That would, at the same time,
1. Freak out the Ignorant Elitists.
2. Get Elon and MSNBC on the "ground floor" for actual news today.

And it would make other places, like CNN, have to compete, which would freak the Elitists out even more.

MSNBC stands for Must Sell Network Before Christmas

They finally learned the hard way that News should be fact based.

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

MSNBC stands for Must Sell Network Before Christmas

They finally learned the hard way that News should be fact based.

MSNBC is relatively new to the market so it was easier to subvert. So it's probably the worst and most clueless.


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On 27 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

MSNBC is relatively new to the market so it was easier to subvert. So it's probably the worst and most clueless.

There should be a lot of things going... The View and CNN just to mention a few. Absolute hate!!!

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

MSNBC is relatively new to the market so it was easier to subvert. So it's probably the worst and most clueless.

There should be a lot of things going... The View and CNN just to
mention a few. Absolute hate!!!

But the are already meeting the reality of capitalism. Viewership is dropping like a rock for all these propaganda sites.

I expect to see them try to manufacture something soon to keep people's eyes on their content.

But what I would really like to see is the Trump cabinet working more with the independent news sources and snubbing the propaganda companies. That will hurt them a lot.


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On 28 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

But the are already meeting the reality of capitalism. Viewership is dropping like a rock for all these propaganda sites.

I expect to see them try to manufacture something soon to keep people's eyes on their content.

But what I would really like to see is the Trump cabinet working more
with the independent news sources and snubbing the propaganda companies. That will hurt them a lot.

Yup, I love capitalism, God's way of thinning the herd... And today is Thanksgiving so lets be thankful to God and Capitalism and the joyful inclusiveness the right brings to the table.

BTW, on this joyous day the left are trying to kill, at least 9 so far, of Trump's cabinet picks.

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

BTW, on this joyous day the left are trying to kill, at least 9 so far,
of Trump's cabinet picks.

The Ignorant Elitists always are what they accuse others of.


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On 28 Nov 2024, IB Joe said the following...

On 28 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

But the are already meeting the reality of capitalism. Viewership is dropping like a rock for all these propaganda sites.

Falling like a fragment from space and burning up in the atmosphere, as if it never existed, especially CNN and MSNBC (Must Sell Network before Christmas.)

I expect to see them try to manufacture something soon to keep people'
eyes on their content.

But what I would really like to see is the Trump cabinet working more with the independent news sources and snubbing the propaganda companie
That will hurt them a lot.

Yup, I love capitalism, God's way of thinning the herd... And today is Thanksgiving so lets be thankful to God and Capitalism and the joyful inclusiveness the right brings to the table.

At least I don't need to ask the Wife, whats for dinner tonight..

BTW, on this joyous day the left are trying to kill, at least 9 so far,
of Trump's cabinet picks.

Their were many picks of Biden's that were controversial to say the least, it would seem that they were selected based on how screwed up they were,
a lesbian, a gay man and a trans, what are the odds?

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On 29 Nov 2024, Gregory Deyss said the following...

Falling like a fragment from space and burning up in the atmosphere, as
if it never existed, especially CNN and MSNBC (Must Sell Network before Christmas.)

I'm okay with the left imploding... I'm just out of ideas as to why they aren't pulling out of their policy issues. I had Fox on in the background and they were talking to a Republican strategist, he was asked about who he felt should be the new Democrat front-person... He said the truth... They don't need a persone, per se, but rather they need to change their policies.

We'll see... I say the Democratic horse is not dead ... let them beat that for a while... AOC 2028!!!

At least I don't need to ask the Wife, whats for dinner tonight..

Thanksgiving tasted cheaper this year!!!!

Their were many picks of Biden's that were controversial to say the
least, it would seem that they were selected based on how screwed up
they were, a lesbian, a gay man and a trans, what are the odds?

No one gives a shit about who you sleep with. I cannot wait until merit is back and if someone screws up you get fired.

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IB Joe wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

I'm okay with the left imploding... I'm just out of ideas as to why
they aren't pulling out of their policy issues.

Because they will never admit that they were wrong and will continually double down on their bad policies.

We'll see... I say the Democratic horse is not dead ... let them beat
that for a while... AOC 2028!!!

Please no. Every time I hear her speak, I swear I lose sanity points.

I thought AOC was the dumbest person in the world. Then I heard Kamala speak...

No one gives a shit about who you sleep with. I cannot wait until merit
is back and if someone screws up you get fired.

Which is why the (always incompetent) Wokies like Socialism.


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In Florida... A felon can vote after he's served his sentence...

You need to read your laws. You seem to be the only one that doesn't understand that a felon sentenced in *another state* can vote in Florida so long as they have met the requirements of that *other state*

New York *only* requires that felons *NOT BE IN JAIL* in order to vote.
Trump was *NOT* in jail on November 5th, so he was eligible to vote in New York. Because Florida applies the rules of *the state of conviction*,
Trump was eligible to *VOTE IN FLORIDA*.

Your yourself posted that very part of the law. I included that quoted back
in my response to you. I notice you deleted that just so you could make your incorrect point.

If I didn't know any better, I would think I was conversing with Alan
"delete the pertenent parts of the message" Ianson but yet I am not.

Did you get it... That is there jail term, any parole and probation... AND the
kicker in this case... PAID ALL FINES...

Did you get that, or do I need to treat you like Alan and repeat it *yet again*?

Well, since he's YET to be sentenced and she STILL OWES 100s of MILLIONS in fines he would NOT be eligible to vote in Florida, where he voted.

See your next sentence.

Other than murder and some sex crimes refers back to the original jurisdiction

You seem to understand above that, since Trump was not convicted of Murder
or Sex Crimes, New York's rules apply. New York allows felons who are not
*in jail* to vote. Since Florida "refers back to the original
jurisdiction," Trump was eligible to vote in Florida.

Every reliable source I have read, sans one, says Trump is a convicted felon. Pretending he isn't just because he is not sentenced yet, and just because
he was eligible to vote, doesn't make it not so.


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On 30 Nov 2024, Ron L. said the following...

Please no. Every time I hear her speak, I swear I lose sanity points.

I thought AOC was the dumbest person in the world. Then I heard Kamala speak...

I personally think AOC is smarter than Kamala... and by Going with AOC they are taking steps in the right direction... Though they are baby steps they are still steps non-the-less.

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On 30 Nov 2024, Mike Powell said the following...

In Florida... A felon can vote after he's served his sentence...

I did, and I understand them just fine.

2 Impeachments without conviction(s)
-=Moot=-

Document case in Florida thrown out because Jack was not placed legally... -=Moot=-

RICO case in Georgia on it's death bed...
-=Moo=-

NY case jury conviction, NO final Judgment/Sentencing...
-=Moot=-

BTW, Huter is not a felon until December 5th... Because he has not met final judgment until that time.

All this lawfare will be exposed soon, as it should be.

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MSNBC is relatively new to the market so it was easier to subvert. So it's probably the worst and most clueless.

MSNBC has been around since 1996, a few months longer than FOX News. CNBC,
the station that MSNBC has basically replaced (since CNBC has moved more
away from news to reality TV), has been on the air since 1989.

Only the 2 CNN stations, and CNBC, have been on the air longer than MSNBC.


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We'll see... I say the Democratic horse is not dead ... let them beat that for a while... AOC 2028!!!

Please no. Every time I hear her speak, I swear I lose sanity points.

Supposedly, some Democrat donors are telling the Harris campaign that they
will only help her pay off her campaign debts if she promises not to run
again in 2028. They want her to try to be governor of California instead.

Meanwhile, there is some talk of support for a Newsome/AOC ticket, since Newsome has run out his governor term limits.


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Donald Trump's sentencing is set for July 11, 2024, just days before the Republican National Convention kicks off. So, we're in this strange limbo where he's guilty of felony crimes but not quite a convicted felon - at least not until he gets his official sentence. During sentencing, the judge will decide his fate, which could range from a slap on the wrist to time behind bars. Trump's crimes fall under the Class E felony category in New York, which is the lowest level of felony in the state. He could face a fine, probation, or up to four years in prison.

I have posted this to you 3 or 4 times.

Is there something there you don't understand??

Lets not get to deep into the weeds because if you don't understand this... everything else is pointless.

Please explain yourself.

I didn't want to add a second item so as I might confuse you.

Here is a lawyer explaining that Judges can throwout jury convictions, not if they are found innocent but if they are found guilty.

This is why it takes the final judges sentencing to seal the deal.

https://youtube.com/shorts/tpulVxGcyRI?si=sXiAaWpvs26WLGze


This is some of the most remedial aspects to US law... I'm sure you should have taken it in Civics class...

Trump is not a felon yet.

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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

I personally think AOC is smarter than Kamala... and by Going with AOC they are taking steps in the right direction... Though they are baby
steps they are still steps non-the-less.

AOC is certainly 10 times better than Kamala. But 10 times 0 is still 0.

AOC has the same problem as Kamala: She's a moron who can't think for herself. She has no policy. She only quotes Narrative. Outside of her district, no one likes her - and I really don't think the people in her district like her much either.


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NY case jury conviction, NO final Judgment/Sentencing...
-=Moot=-

And just last week you revealed that one of your "unbiased" sources of news is/was a banned (btw he is apparently back) YT channel that is run by
someone whose qualifications are being a cartoonist.

I am filing this "TrUmp is NoT a cOnviCted FeLon" nonsense into the same rubbish bin as the rest of these (often lefty) claims:

"Biden was just fine right up until that debate, when he was suddenly
struck with dementia."

"Biden is still just fine. He stepped aside on his own."

"Kamala Harris is qualified to be President."

"RuSSian CoLLusion..."

"Loser Trump holding a rally in DC on Electoral Certification day is normal behavior."

etc.


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FACT CHECK - The post quoted below contains false and/or misleading
information -- "Trump is not a felon yet." Sources:

Trump Convicted on All 34 Counts of Falsifying Records in Hush-Money Case
He is the first U.S. president to be convicted of a felony.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/05/30/donald-trump-verdict/

Yes, Trump Has Been Convicted of Felonies
In May 2024, a jury found Donald Trump guilty on all 34 counts of
falsifying business records in a hush-money scheme.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-convicted-felonies/

No, Donald Trump's felony conviction hasn't been overturned

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/oct/18/threads-posts/no-donald-trumps
-felony-conviction-hasnt-been-over/

https://tinyurl.com/3c2yyjda

Did Trump vote as a convicted felon?

"*Yes*. Trump resides in Florida, where it is usually difficult to vote as a convicted felon. However, for those convicted in other states, it defers to the laws of the state in which the individual was prosecuted.

"CNN reports Trump was allowed to vote in Palm Beach under a 2021 New York law granting people convicted of felons the right to vote as long as they aren't incarcerated at the time of the election."

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/08/is-trump-a-co
nvicted-felon-president-vote-when-trial-guilty-court-date-sentencing-us/76108799
007/

https://tinyurl.com/49z2nth3

This message was from IB JOE to MIKE POWELL,

Donald Trump's sentencing is set for July 11, 2024, just days before the Republican National Convention kicks off. So, we're in this strange limbo wher
he's guilty of felony crimes but not quite a convicted felon - at least not until he gets his official sentence. During sentencing, the judge will decide his fate, which could range from a slap on the wrist to time behind bars. Trump's crimes fall under the Class E felony category in New York, which is th
lowest level of felony in the state. He could face a fine, probation, or up to
four years in prison.

I have posted this to you 3 or 4 times.

Is there something there you don't understand??

Lets not get to deep into the weeds because if you don't understand this... everything else is pointless.

Please explain yourself.

I didn't want to add a second item so as I might confuse you.

Here is a lawyer explaining that Judges can throwout jury convictions, not if they are found innocent but if they are found guilty.

This is why it takes the final judges sentencing to seal the deal.

https://youtube.com/shorts/tpulVxGcyRI?si=sXiAaWpvs26WLGze

This is some of the most remedial aspects to US law... I'm sure you should have taken it in Civics class...

Trump is not a felon yet.

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Is there something there you don't understand??

It became clear to me sometime ago that unless it's in the Narrative, Mike can't see it. That's why he's been added to my Twit List.

Well, to believe "their" narrative, I would have to believe that Russian collusion is real, that Joe Biden has no mental problems, or that Kamala
Harris was qualified to be President. No thanks.

To believe the narrative that you and Joe have been living off of, I would
have to believe the viruses don't exist, that Trump is not a convicted
felon, or a whole bunch of other stuff that is equally as disconnected from reality as what "they" believe. Again, no thanks.

You are free to go post your BS somewhere else. There are several other politics echos that you and Joe post in. Now that Lee is dead, his
Conspiracy echo is probably in need of a moderator who believes in
conspiracy BS, so maybe you could try that one out.

If you are so far to either the left or right that you believe in any
of the sh!t I mentioned above, you are brainwashed and beyond help.

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they are taking steps in the right direction... Though they are baby steps they are still steps non-the-less.

AOC is certainly 10 times better than Kamala. But 10 times 0 is still 0.

AOC has the same problem as Kamala: She's a moron who can't think for herself. She has no policy. She only quotes Narrative. Outside of her district, no one likes her - and I really don't think the people in her district like her much either.

Kamala is no dummy. She's proven herself worthy to the world elite. They trusted her to keep their secrets and serve their worldly needs. Not as impressive as being chosen by God (TRUMP) but still an achievement. They wouldn't put just any bimbo in the white house, it has to be a bimbo who has proven herself.

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On 01 Dec 2024, Ron L. said the following...

AOC is certainly 10 times better than Kamala. But 10 times 0 is still 0.

AOC has the same problem as Kamala: She's a moron who can't think for herself. She has no policy. She only quotes Narrative. Outside of her district, no one likes her - and I really don't think the people in her district like her much either.

I'm okay with Kamala and AOC running. The Democrats think they have a messaging issue and not a policy issue.

Let them think that... Kamala and AOC for VP in 2028.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

Kamala is no dummy.

That's not really much. Even a complete moron will only put his hand on a hot stove only once.

My point is that she has no real thoughts in her head.

She's proven herself worthy to the world elite.
They trusted her to keep their secrets and serve their worldly needs.
Not as impressive as being chosen by God (TRUMP) but still an
achievement. They wouldn't put just any bimbo in the white house, it
has to be a bimbo who has proven herself.

Yup. That she will do as she's told and keep her mouth shut (well, in public, at least). But my bet is that she doesn't have enough brains to remember who's saying what. So the Elitists don't have to worry about her spilling any secrets: she knows none.


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IB Joe wrote to Dr. What <=-

I'm okay with Kamala and AOC running. The Democrats think they have a messaging issue and not a policy issue.

Let them think that... Kamala and AOC for VP in 2028.

You have a point there.

Maybe their slogan should be: You think 2024 was a train wreck! Hold our beers!


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On 02 Dec 2024, Ron L. said the following...

You have a point there.

Maybe their slogan should be: You think 2024 was a train wreck! Hold
our beers!

I'm Okay with that...

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