• Email relay through Vertrauen failing

    From Jason@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Mon Feb 5 20:41:44 2024
    Re: Email relay through Vertrauen failing
    By: Nightfox to Jason on Wed Jan 17 2024 09:12 am

    Gmail has recently started requiring a _dmarc dns record to be created to continue to accept emails. I've had to do that in several other non-bbs
    systems lately because they are cracking down on "spam". Not to suggest what you're sending is spam, but you should look into creating a _dmarc dns
    address that works for you, even if it's to do nothing.

    Since I'm relaying my outgoing email through Vertrauen, I'm not sure if it would be me or Vertrauen that needs thta DNS record.

    Nightfox

    I guess it depends on the domain name you're using to send email.

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wed Jun 12 10:59:24 2024
    Re: Email relay through Vertrauen failing
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Jan 17 2024 12:28 pm

    It might just be an SPF record that you need (for *your* domain). Vertruaen already has an SPF record for the synchro.net domain and I can send to gmail addresses (from synchro.net domains) just fine.

    I'm finally getting around (again) to trying to fix my BBS's issue of outgoing emails being rejected by Gmail.

    I saw this page on the wiki explaining how to set up email security, including the SPF record and others:
    https://wiki.synchro.net/howto:emailsec

    It seems Gmail does indeed need an SPF record. According to the wiki page, and using the SPF maker tool, I made an SPF record and set it up in my domain (digitaldistortionbbs.com). I've tried sending some emails to my gmail address, but it seems they're still being rejected.

    I've tried a few different things in my SPF record but with no success. This is my current SPF record:
    "v=spf1 mx a ptr a:vert.synchro.net include:digdist.synchro.net include:vert.synchro.net ?all"

    Using mxtoolbox.com, I did an SPF check of my domain and it seems it should be valid. I probably don't have it configured correctly, but I'm not sure what might be wrong. Do you have an idea?

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Wed Jun 12 11:31:57 2024
    Re: Email relay through Vertrauen failing
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jun 12 2024 10:59 am

    Re: Email relay through Vertrauen failing
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Jan 17 2024 12:28 pm

    It might just be an SPF record that you need (for *your* domain). Vertruaen already has an SPF record for the synchro.net domain and I can send to gmail addresses (from synchro.net domains) just fine.

    I'm finally getting around (again) to trying to fix my BBS's issue of outgoing emails being rejected by Gmail.

    I saw this page on the wiki explaining how to set up email security, including the SPF record and others:
    https://wiki.synchro.net/howto:emailsec

    It seems Gmail does indeed need an SPF record. According to the wiki page, and using the SPF maker tool, I made an SPF record and set it up in my domain (digitaldistortionbbs.com). I've tried sending some emails to my gmail address, but it seems they're still being rejected.

    I've tried a few different things in my SPF record but with no success. This is my current SPF record:
    "v=spf1 mx a ptr a:vert.synchro.net include:digdist.synchro.net include:vert.synchro.net ?all"

    Using mxtoolbox.com, I did an SPF check of my domain and it seems it should be valid. I probably don't have it configured correctly, but I'm not sure what might be wrong. Do you have an idea?

    If you're relaying your outbound mail through Vertrauen, then the mail could be sent from cvs.synchro.net or vert.synchro.net (2 different hosts), so you would need to list both in your SPF.

    I just use "v=spf1 mx a -all" and that works for me.
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  • From phigan@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Wed Jun 12 12:42:28 2024
    Re: Email relay through Vertrauen failing
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jun 12 2024 10:59 am

    (digitaldistortionbbs.com). I've tried sending some emails to my gmail address, but it seems they're still being rejected.

    Are they being rejected or being sent to spam? Also, do you have the PTR for your IP matching the A record? I heard they like both an SPF record and matching A/PTRs. Like DM said, tho, "v=spf1 mx a -all" seems to work for the SPF.

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wed Jun 12 13:16:00 2024
    Re: Email relay through Vertrauen failing
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Wed Jun 12 2024 11:31 am

    If you're relaying your outbound mail through Vertrauen, then the mail could be sent from cvs.synchro.net or vert.synchro.net (2 different hosts), so you would need to list both in your SPF.

    I am relaying my outbound mail through Vertrauen. I tried listing both cvs.synchro.net and vert.synchro.net in my SPF but it seems that didn't work.

    I just use "v=spf1 mx a -all" and that works for me.

    I tried that too but it didn't work either. None of my emails to my gmail address are getting through.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to phigan on Wed Jun 12 13:34:04 2024
    Re: Email relay through Vertrauen failing
    By: phigan to Nightfox on Wed Jun 12 2024 12:42 pm

    (digitaldistortionbbs.com). I've tried sending some emails to my gmail
    address, but it seems they're still being rejected.

    Are they being rejected or being sent to spam? Also, do you have the PTR for your IP matching the A record? I heard they like both an SPF record and matching A/PTRs. Like DM said, tho, "v=spf1 mx a -all" seems to work for the SPF.

    It looks like an A record is for a destination IP address. Since my IP address could be dynamic, my concern would be that I'd have to change my A record when my IP address changes, and I don't know when my IP address might change.

    I had tried the "v=spf1 mx a -all" and it didn't work.

    The messages aren't going to spam (I checked). Also, I'm getting emails at my BBS from Mail Delivery Subsystem saying the email failed to be delievered, with this response:

    vert.synchro.net reporting delivery failure of message
    from Nightfox to eric.oulashin@gmail.com

    Reason:
    gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com replied with:
    "550 5.7.26 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication d9443c01a7336-1f6bd76c7c0si119944715ad.155 - gsmtp"
    instead of the expected reply:
    "250 ..."

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to phigan on Wed Jun 12 13:37:15 2024
    Re: Email relay through Vertrauen failing
    By: Nightfox to phigan on Wed Jun 12 2024 01:34 pm

    It looks like an A record is for a destination IP address. Since my IP address could be dynamic, my concern would be that I'd have to change my A record when my IP address changes, and I don't know when my IP address might change.

    Also, I just tried adding an A record with my IP address, but it complains because a CNAME,NS record already exists having the same name (I use CNAME records so that my digitaldistortionbbs.com address(es) points to digdist.synchro.net).

    Nightfox

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  • From phigan@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Thu Jun 13 12:55:34 2024
    Re: Email relay through Vertrauen failing
    By: Nightfox to phigan on Wed Jun 12 2024 01:37 pm

    Also, I just tried adding an A recor
    with my IP address, but it complains
    because a CNAME,NS record already
    exists having the same name (I use

    I'm guessing CNAME is ok.. but that URL
    in your previous message talks about
    having both SPF and DKIM.

    My emails all go to spam, even if the
    recipient has responded to me. Maybe
    it's because I'm missing that DKIM
    record. They don't bounce back anymore,
    though.

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to phigan on Fri Jun 14 18:21:14 2024
    Re: Email relay through Vertrauen
    By: phigan to Nightfox on Thu Jun 13 2024 12:55 pm

    I'm guessing CNAME is ok.. but that URL
    in your previous message talks about
    having both SPF and DKIM.

    The Synchronet wiki page for email security says "Note: DKIM capabilities is currently not available in Synchronet". The page from Google says that they require the following:
    - All senders: SPF or DKIM
    - Bulk senders: SPF, DKIM, and DMARK

    I'm not a bulk sender, and since it says SPF OR DKIM, I thought either one would suffice (i.e., only SPF).

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Fri Jun 14 20:25:55 2024
    Re: Email relay through Vertrauen
    By: Nightfox to phigan on Fri Jun 14 2024 06:21 pm

    Re: Email relay through Vertrauen
    By: phigan to Nightfox on Thu Jun 13 2024 12:55 pm

    I'm guessing CNAME is ok.. but that URL
    in your previous message talks about
    having both SPF and DKIM.

    The Synchronet wiki page for email security says "Note: DKIM capabilities is currently not available in Synchronet". The page from Google says that they require the following:
    - All senders: SPF or DKIM
    - Bulk senders: SPF, DKIM, and DMARK

    I'm not a bulk sender, and since it says SPF OR DKIM, I thought either one would suffice (i.e., only SPF).

    It (just SPF) works for me and sending to GMail addresses from vert.synchro.net.
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