• Cannot see all message boards in webv4forums

    From Amessyroom@1:103/705 to All on Sat Jul 27 18:16:13 2024
    What has to be done to get web interface to see new sub boards?

    Tried recycling g web server but didn't fix it

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  • From kk4qbn@1:103/705 to Amessyroom on Sat Jul 27 23:35:23 2024
    Re: Cannot see all message boards in webv4forums
    By: Amessyroom to All on Sat Jul 27 2024 18:16:13

    What has to be done to get web interface to see new sub boards?

    Tried recycling g web server but didn't fix it

    When added correctly the sub-board should automaticall show up, recylcing the webserver should'nt really make a difference, the terminal server should be reloaded though.. If you or someone was online when you commited changes they will not show up until the nodes are clear and your configuration has a chance to reload.

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to Amessyroom on Sun Jul 28 02:05:19 2024
    Re: Cannot see all message boards in webv4forums
    By: Amessyroom to All on Sat Jul 27 2024 18:16:13

    What has to be done to get web interface to see new sub boards?

    Tried recycling g web server but didn't fix it

    I don't think a web server recycle is necessary.

    Are you logged into the web UI as a user with sufficient permission to see the group and each board? If you're not logged in, does your web guest user have sufficient permission?

    Are the boards empty? I think they'll still show up in this case, but I can't remember for sure. I did debate it.

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  • From Amessyroom@1:103/705 to kk4qbn on Sun Jul 28 10:32:08 2024
    Well, I must have not added them correctly LOL.
    I've tried recycle web server, recycle terminal server, recycle all servers via umonitor.
    I'll stop and start sbbs next. I assume that will fix the issue but was trying to avoid it. Not a big deal.

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Amessyroom on Sun Jul 28 16:16:45 2024
    Re: Cannot see all message boards in webv4forums
    By: Amessyroom to kk4qbn on Sun Jul 28 2024 10:32 am

    Well, I must have not added them correctly LOL. I've tried recycle web server, recycle terminal server, recycle all servers via umonitor.
    I'll stop and start sbbs next. I assume that will fix the issue but was trying to avoid it. Not a big deal.

    Did you specify any ARS such that the message bases shouldn't appear via the web? For instance, an ARS specification like "PROT NOT HTTP" would mean they wouldn't show up on the web site.

    Nightfox

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  • From Amessyroom@1:103/705 to echicken on Sun Jul 28 16:37:41 2024
    Re: Cannot see all message boards in webv4forums
    By: Amessyroom to All on Sat Jul 27 2024 18:16:13

    I don't think a web server recycle is necessary.

    Are you logged into the web UI as a user with sufficient permission to see the group and each board? If you're not logged in, does your web guest user have sufficient permission?

    Are the boards empty? I think they'll still show up in this case, but I can't remember for sure. I did debate it.

    echicken
    A recycle all services from umonitor fixed it. I was logged in as sysop through web interface, so not sure why it could not see messages. I could see them via telnet sessions, just not web sessions.

    I tried logging out an back in to web interface also, as well as refreshing web pages at different times.

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  • From Amessyroom@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Mon Jul 29 00:39:39 2024
    Re: Cannot see all message boards in webv4forums
    By: Nightfox to Amessyroom on Sun Jul 28 2024 04:16 pm

    Re: Cannot see all message boards in webv4forums By: Amessyroom to kk4qbn on Sun Jul 28 2024 10:32 am

    Well, I must have not added them correctly LOL. I've tried recycle web
    server, recycle terminal server, recycle all servers via umonitor. I'll
    stop and start sbbs next. I assume that will fix the issue but was trying
    to avoid it. Not a big deal.

    Did you specify any ARS such that the message bases shouldn't appear via the web? For instance, an ARS specification like "PROT NOT HTTP" would mean they wouldn't show up on the web site.

    Nightfox
    No. I didn't know that ARS could be used to restrict access to HTTP as you indicated.

    A complete stop and start of sbbs was the final solution. Not sure what I did, to confuse things that I had to do it. But all 200+ usenet groups are now seen in http and terminal server sessions.

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Amessyroom on Sun Jul 28 23:45:13 2024
    Re: Cannot see all message boards in webv4forums
    By: Amessyroom to echicken on Sun Jul 28 2024 04:37 pm

    I tried logging out an back in to web interface also, as well as refreshing web pages at different times.

    The web server cannot recycle while there are users connected.
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  • From Amessyroom@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Mon Jul 29 12:09:17 2024
    Ah. This is probably the issue. I probably did have a web connection. I'll be sure to have all sessions clear; when I add message bases.

    Thanks!

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Amessyroom on Mon Jul 29 13:46:47 2024
    Re: Cannot see all message boards in webv4forums
    By: Amessyroom to Digital Man on Mon Jul 29 2024 12:09 pm

    Ah. This is probably the issue. I probably did have a web connection. I'll be sure to have all sessions clear; when I add message bases.

    A "server recycle" won't occur until the server is not serving any clients. However, a "server shutdown" happens immediately, active clients be damned. So just shutdown and restart the server if you really can't wait for a recycle to happen (when it can, gracefully).
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  • From phigan@1:103/705 to Amessyroom on Tue Jul 30 07:06:49 2024
    Re: Cannot see all message boards in webv4forums
    By: Amessyroom to Nightfox on Mon Jul 29 2024 12:39 am

    it. But all 200+ usenet groups are n
    seen in http and terminal server

    Some people BBS to escape and keep
    their stuff off the web :).. then we go
    and put the BBS content on the web!
    Just a little funny.

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  • From Errol Casey@1:3634/58 to phigan on Tue Jul 30 19:49:51 2024
    Re: Cannot see all message boards
    By: phigan to Amessyroom on Tue Jul 30 2024 07:06 am

    it. But all 200+ usenet groups are n
    seen in http and terminal server

    Some people BBS to escape and keep
    their stuff off the web :).. then we go
    and put the BBS content on the web!
    Just a little funny.

    Yeah. Ironic, but I don't think I can convience as many people to install telnet clients (syncterm/netrunner), as I can try the bbs at https://url

    It is unfortunate, that some people will not try telnet. So, I see the web interface as a way to get "new" users to try, and then get them to use
    telnet.


    I prefer to read my messages in text session, vs web personally.
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  • From phigan@1:103/705 to Errol Casey on Tue Jul 30 19:39:10 2024
    Re: Cannot see all message boards
    By: Errol Casey to phigan on Tue Jul 30 2024 07:49 pm

    It is unfortunate, that some people will not try telnet. So, I see the web interface as a way to get "new" users to try, and then get them to use

    Someone might've already beat me to responding to this, but what about fTelnet? I enabled the web interface on my BBS, but I think I disabled most of the things it does. When you land on the BBS's webpage, it has an fTelnet terminal ready for you to connect in right there from your browser.

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  • From Errol Casey@1:3634/58 to phigan on Tue Jul 30 23:46:02 2024
    Re: Cannot see all message boards
    By: phigan to Errol Casey on Tue Jul 30 2024 07:39 pm

    It is unfortunate, that some people will not try telnet. So, I see the web
    interface as a way to get "new" users to try, and then get them to use

    Someone might've already beat me to responding to this, but what about fTelnet? I enabled the web interface on my BBS, but I think I disabled most of the things it does. When you land on the BBS's webpage, it has an fTelnet terminal ready for you to connect in right there from your browser.

    No. I have that enabled, I've even sent urls that provide ftelnet to
    friends , and shared on facebook. And it seems to draw very few people.

    I've not tried to advertise per say on echoes, yet. as most things are still stock on my bbs. But I'm learning and trying to customize a few things, before I use those methods to draw people to the board.
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  • From Denn@1:103/705 to Errol Casey on Wed Jul 31 07:39:08 2024
    No. I have that enabled, I've even sent urls that provide ftelnet to
    friends , and shared on facebook. And it seems to draw very few people.

    I've not tried to advertise per say on echoes, yet. as most things are still stock on my bbs. But I'm learning and trying to customize a few things, before I use those methods to draw people to the board.

    Did you add your BBS to the BBSguide?
    https://www.telnetbbsguide.com/

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  • From Errol Casey@1:3634/58 to Denn on Wed Jul 31 09:45:23 2024
    Re: Cannot see all message boards
    By: Denn to Errol Casey on Wed Jul 31 2024 07:39 am

    Not yet. Nor to the sync BBS list . I plan to do both.

    But wanted to build up system before announcing widely.

    So I have FTNs, chat (irc/mrc), game servers installed.

    Now I want to try and customize the BBS some, and then I'll list it on those resource.

    Thanks for asking/sharing about the guide. It along with the documentary is what got me excited, to try and build a BBS again.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1:103/705 to phigan on Wed Jul 31 06:56:00 2024
    Subject: Re: Cannot see all message boards
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    phigan wrote to Amessyroom <=-

    Some people BBS to escape and keep
    their stuff off the web :).. then we go
    and put the BBS content on the web!
    Just a little funny.

    Web crawlers have indexed so many default Synchronet installs that the
    horse is long out of the barn on this one...


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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to Errol Casey on Wed Jul 31 09:35:07 2024
    Re: Cannot see all message boards
    By: Errol Casey to phigan on Tue Jul 30 2024 11:46 pm

    No. I have that enabled, I've even sent urls that provide ftelnet to friends , and shared on facebook. And it seems to draw very few people.

    I think putting a general ad on Facebook probably isn't very effective. A lot of people these days probably won't be interested enough to try it, and I think a lot of people these days don't even know what a BBS is (because they probably never used them). It's probably best to advertise in places specifically designed for this stuff, because the people drawn to those places will already be interested in retro and computer stuff.

    Nightfox

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  • From phigan@1:103/705 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 31 10:16:00 2024
    Re: Re: Cannot see all message boards
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to phigan on Wed Jul 31 2024 06:56 am

    Web crawlers have indexed so many default Synchronet installs that the
    horse is long out of the barn on this one...

    Sure, but I was more talking about our posts and conversations :).

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to Errol Casey on Wed Jul 31 15:20:56 2024
    Re: Cannot see all message boards
    By: Errol Casey to phigan on Tue Jul 30 2024 23:46:02

    No. I have that enabled, I've even sent urls that provide ftelnet to friends , and shared on facebook. And it seems to draw very few people.

    It doesn't hurt to try, but your chances of converting a friend / acquaintance / colleague are slim to none.

    Think about what your BBS offers to someone who already has the entire internet at their disposal. Maybe you've got something special, but probably not.

    Think about how your BBS looks to someone accustomed to modern technology. Maybe they have an interest in retrocomputing or will find a more bare bones UI appealing, but probably not. Maybe you've got unique content they'll look past the UI to get at, but probably not.

    You never know, one of this people might get hooked for one reason or another, but that's a rare thing.

    You're better off advertising to those predisposed to take an interest. This could be existing BBS users or people in some adjacent hobby/space.

    Maybe make your BBS a gathering place for some niche community that wants some degree of independence and likes esoteric stuff. Sure, they could have a subreddit, a Discord 'server', a Facebook group, etc., but for whatever reason they like this better.

    If you want to draw in existing BBS people, think about (and improve) what your BBS has to offer that all of the other ones don't already have.

    I know this might come across as a bit discouraging, and that's not my intention.

    My own BBS is a sandbox for me to play in and develop stupid things for. Other people are welcome to come along and use it, but I don't advertise apart from maybe being on a list or two. There are better places to go if you want active games, local message areas, I don't know what else. I have no interest in competing nor energy to do so.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1:103/705 to echicken on Wed Jul 31 16:45:28 2024
    Subject: Cannot see all message boards
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    Re: Cannot see all message boards
    By: echicken to Errol Casey on Wed Jul 31 2024 03:20 pm

    It doesn't hurt to try, but your chances of converting a friend / acquaintance / colleague are slim to none.

    Think about what your BBS offers to someone who already has the entire internet at their disposal. Maybe you've got something special, but probably not.

    Think about how your BBS looks to someone accustomed to modern technology. Maybe they have an interest in retrocomputing or will find a more bare bones UI appealing, but probably not. Maybe you've got unique content they'll look past the UI to get at, but probably not.

    God, now I need a drink.
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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Jul 31 19:41:38 2024
    Re: Cannot see all message boards
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to echicken on Wed Jul 31 2024 04:45 pm

    Think about how your BBS looks to someone accustomed to modern technology.
    Maybe they have an interest in retrocomputing or will find a more bare
    bones UI appealing, but probably not. Maybe you've got unique content
    they'll look past the UI to get at, but probably not.

    God, now I need a drink.

    A couple years ago, I worked with a guy who was only a few years younger than me, and he said he had never used BBSes before. I sent him the link to mine, and he said he checked it out and he thought it was more useable than he thought it would be for an older technology.

    Nightfox

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  • From Amessyroom@1:103/705 to echicken on Thu Aug 1 17:43:05 2024
    Re: Cannot see all message boards
    By: echicken to Errol Casey on Wed Jul 31 2024 03:20 pm


    I know this might come across as a bit discouraging, and that's not my intention.

    My own BBS is a sandbox for me to play in and develop stupid things for. Other people are welcome to come along and use it, but I don't advertise apart from maybe being on a list or two. There are better places to go if you want active games, local message areas, I don't know what else. I have no interest in competing nor energy to do so.

    echicken

    Thanks for the feedback. I think viewing it as a sandbox, and not something I should expect others to flock too -- is a more realistic view. So, I guess I'll continue working on it and list it on telnet bbs guide and synchronet bbs list - when I think, I have it less "stock" .

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