On 07-23-18 14:10, shinobi wrote to Vk3jed <=-

It would be nice to, and back in the day, there used to be gateways between Fidonet and othernets that allowed netmail to pass, but
apparently today's politics gets in the way. :(

Sad story. Could You remember what any of that kind of gateway was
named?

I did google a while back and found a few DOS packages that can gate between FTNs, but I couldn't recall any now.


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I did google a while back and found a few DOS packages that can gate between FTNs, but I couldn't recall any now.

Could be Phython writable. Once the QWK has been used for it. But I would not rely on my memory.

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On 07/23/18, shinobi pondered and said...

I'm not sure whether the echomail would make sense. I guess when You have moderator You don't want traffic pass through gateway from different echomail network.

I would certainly make bigger sense for netmail.

I agree and am going to fix this. It seems like a good move to me. Stay
tuned. :)

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On 07/23/18, Vk3jed pondered and said...

ok but which echoarea? i just want to read what was discussed.

I _think_ it was in FN_SYSOP, but can't be 100% certain. :)

Had a quick look but not joy, thanks anyways...

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Hello shinobi!

23 Jul 18 14:10, you wrote to Vk3jed:

It would be nice to, and back in the day, there used to be
gateways between Fidonet and othernets that allowed netmail to
pass, but apparently today's politics gets in the way. :(

Sad story. Could You remember what any of that kind of gateway was
named?

In FidoNet, there used to be ZoneGates that would handle inter-zone netmail. In theory, it would be possible to setup something similar for handling netmail between FidoNet and othernets.

There also exist software packages such as BlackHole which allow gating echomail from one FTN network to another.

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On 07-23-18 22:12, shinobi wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I did google a while back and found a few DOS packages that can gate between FTNs, but I couldn't recall any now.

Could be Phython writable. Once the QWK has been used for it. But I
would not rely on my memory.

I don't understand what you're saying here.


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On 07-24-18 21:10, Avon wrote to Vk3jed <=-

On 07/23/18, Vk3jed pondered and said...

ok but which echoarea? i just want to read what was discussed.

I _think_ it was in FN_SYSOP, but can't be 100% certain. :)

Had a quick look but not joy, thanks anyways...

No probs. As I said, "ancient history" (anything older than a day or two) - detailed info not available in my head. :D


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On 07-24-18 21:09, Avon wrote to shinobi <=-

I would certainly make bigger sense for netmail.

I agree and am going to fix this. It seems like a good move to me. Stay tuned. :)

I'm happy for you to test to z432 if you want to do a bit of FTN DXing. :D


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Sad story. Could You remember what any of that kind of gateway was named?

I did google a while back and found a few DOS packages that can gate between FTNs, but I couldn't recall any now.

Remember the discussion here regarding the abandonware? It's a huge shame lot of programs just dissapeared or are no running anymore. That's very true on Windows. In the new WIN it's very difficult to run old software. I'm not sure what program what that was. But I coldn't make it working.

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I agree and am going to fix this. It seems like a good move to me. Stay tuned. :)

That sound wonderful. If You'd find any path. I'd be pleased to read about it.

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In FidoNet, there used to be ZoneGates that would handle inter-zone netmail. In theory, it would be possible to setup something similar for handling netmail between FidoNet and othernets.

There also exist software packages such as BlackHole which allow gating echomail from one FTN network to another.

That's possible where my IDEA came from. I remember being (I guess) ZONE 42. And de facto most of the conferences weren't routed anywhere else than
locally. It were in my language. And I could somehow subscribe other ECHO
AREAS on BBS and download it to QWK reader. But I guess I could also post to other zones via netmail. (really unsure about all that above ... it's quite a long time).

But when there would be routing between networks. I guess there would have
been some central point where the messages would be received and forwarded.
And that's the weak point. The beauty of Internet it's in it's decentralization. I mean You can contact any node on any subnet (if not
BLOCKE by active element). And if You make one element responsible for something very important. Then it becomes single point of failure.

Just thinking. Sorry if that above doesn't make sense.

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Could be Phython writable. Once the QWK has been used for it. But I would not rely on my memory.

I don't understand what you're saying here.

Sorry I mixed too much together. The QWKNet definitely wasn't use for
transport of mail from one zone to another. In the fact it has no addresses.
If I recall correctly the QWKNet consist of BBSes where only there is many Nodes and one Hub.

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Re: Re: QWKNet
By: shinobi to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 24 2018 08:04 pm

Sorry I mixed too much together. The QWKNet definitely wasn't use for transport of mail from one zone to another. In the fact it has no addresses.

I help run a network in zone 32 that serves BBSs by QWK or FTN (in zone 32) at their choice. Buy yes, there is no (FTN) addressing for QWK nodes. There is addressing (by BBSID) but it is completely different than FTN.

If I recall correctly the QWKNet consist of BBSes where only
there is many Nodes and one Hub.

There can be more than one hub. I get DOVE-Net by QWK networking from Vertrauen as most of the nodes do, but I could get it from any BBS that chooses to hub for that QWK network.

The same is true for the zone 32 net that I help with. Right now there is a small number of nodes (both QWK and FTN) and they all get their mail from the same hub but as the network grows the number of hubs (both QWK and FTN) could grow. Only time/need will tell.

Ttyl :-),
Al


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I help run a network in zone 32 that serves BBSs by QWK or FTN (in zone 32) at their choice. Buy yes, there is no (FTN) addressing for QWK
nodes. There is addressing (by BBSID) but it is completely different
than FTN.

I pull mails from vert via qwk too. I configured my qwk account to download DOVE. I already posted several posts successfully. What I didn't know was the routing,adressing etc.

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On 07-24-18 20:04, shinobi wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Sorry I mixed too much together. The QWKNet definitely wasn't use for transport of mail from one zone to another. In the fact it has no addresses. If I recall correctly the QWKNet consist of BBSes where only there is many Nodes and one Hub.

QWKNet isn't relevant to the discussion here, that just muddied the waters. :-)
Actually, Synchronet allows for more complex topologies than a simple hub and spoke setup when using QWKNet. I also like that Synchronet can do QWK netmail, which is very cool. :) But all of this is an aside.


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On 07-24-18 14:19, Al wrote to shinobi <=-

I help run a network in zone 32 that serves BBSs by QWK or FTN (in zone 32) at their choice. Buy yes, there is no (FTN) addressing for QWK
nodes. There is addressing (by BBSID) but it is completely different
than FTN.

Yep, completely different animals. And QWK addressing/routing is only supported by Synchronet AFAIK, though the specs are open, so any BBS author could add it to their system. The QWK netmail routing reminds me of UUCP bang path addressing.

There can be more than one hub. I get DOVE-Net by QWK networking from Vertrauen as most of the nodes do, but I could get it from any BBS that chooses to hub for that QWK network.

My QWK nodes are welcome to take a feed of DOVE from me. I don't think any ever have.

The same is true for the zone 32 net that I help with. Right now there
is a small number of nodes (both QWK and FTN) and they all get their
mail from the same hub but as the network grows the number of hubs
(both QWK and FTN) could grow. Only time/need will tell.

Let it evolve. :)


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QWKNet isn't relevant to the discussion here, that just muddied the waters. :-) Actually, Synchronet allows for more complex topologies than
a simple hub and spoke setup when using QWKNet. I also like that Synchronet can do QWK netmail, which is very cool. :) But all of this
is an aside.

I must be honest. I wasn't able to configure the QWKNet on MBBS. Somehow when
I tried to configure active FTP and then tried to pick up mail from second system it failed. Well... I created the QWKNet account, password, everything
on Phoibos. And then picked up mail on Jupyter. It did connect, it did pick
up packet. But it didn't import any mail to Jupyter. I think it shouldn't be necessary to run mutil in that case. And I guess it's needed to configure the ECHOMAIL area as part of QWKNet. But A39 somehow didn't transfer my mails between the two systems. On Linux x64. Any idea what could have I done wrong?

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On 07-25-18 05:17, shinobi wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I must be honest. I wasn't able to configure the QWKNet on MBBS.
Somehow when I tried to configure active FTP and then tried to pick up mail from second system it failed. Well... I created the QWKNet
account, password, everything on Phoibos. And then picked up mail on Jupyter. It did connect, it did pick up packet. But it didn't import
any mail to Jupyter. I think it shouldn't be necessary to run mutil in that case. And I guess it's needed to configure the ECHOMAIL area as
part of QWKNet. But A39 somehow didn't transfer my mails between the
two systems. On Linux x64. Any idea what could have I done wrong?

Hmm, no idea on this one. Never used MBBS and never used QWKNet on Mystic (only used FTN with Mystic).


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Re: Re: QWKNet
By: shinobi to Vk3jed on Wed Jul 25 2018 05:17 am

I must be honest. I wasn't able to configure the QWKNet on MBBS.

Do you mean Mystic here?

it did pick up packet. But it didn't import any mail to Jupyter. I think it shouldn't be necessary to run mutil in that case.

No, if you are doing QWK net transfers only qwkpoll is needed.

And I guess it's needed to configure the ECHOMAIL area as part of QWKNet. But A39 somehow didn't transfer my mails between the two systems. On Linux x64. Any idea what could have I done wrong?

The QWK message areas need to have the QWK-Network and QWK Base ID set. The base ID can be different from hub to hub. The output of qwkpoll should give hints if there are any problems.

Ttyl :-),
Al


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Hmm, no idea on this one. Never used MBBS and never used QWKNet on
Mystic (only used FTN with Mystic).

Sorry about that.

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On 07-25-18 16:34, shinobi wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Hmm, no idea on this one. Never used MBBS and never used QWKNet on
Mystic (only used FTN with Mystic).

Sorry about that.

No probs. I use Synchronet for my QWK networking, its QWKNet support is very comprehensive. Mystic's is said to be good too, though I haven't tried it, as I said.


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I agree and am going to fix this. It seems like a good move to me. St tuned. :)

That sound wonderful. If You'd find any path. I'd be pleased to read
about it.

please check my post in fsx_gen ... I've added a NETMAIL.TXT file also to the next infopack :)

Best, Paul

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