Re: Re: Multiple BBSes
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Havok on Tue Dec 22 2020 08:36 am

With a single IP, DD-WRT on a modern router seems to do the trick,
though.

As someone states on TV, I LIKE IT!

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Havok wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

With a single IP, DD-WRT on a modern router seems to do the trick,
though.

As someone states on TV, I LIKE IT!

I'm playing with Entware, a way to install Linux packages on DD-WRT.
I've got a USB drive configured as an ext3 partition, added a swap
partition, and installed nginx. The plan is to have my border router
reverse proxy web traffic to my proxmox host for validating SSL
certs, my BBS, and a test system I'd like to expose without using
different port numbers.




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Re: Re: Multiple BBSes
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Havok on Thu Dec 24 2020 07:20 am

I'm playing with Entware, a way to install Linux packages on DD-WRT.
I've got a USB drive configured as an ext3 partition, added a swap partition, and installed nginx. The plan is to have my border router reverse proxy web traffic to my proxmox host for validating SSL
certs, my BBS, and a test system I'd like to expose without using different port numbers.

First hope you enjoy today!

Let me ask you being you may know better then me, I'm thinking of playing
with docker why is it so much better the say oracle virtualbox. I'm wondering
myself being I have played with about all of them other the docker.

Merry Christmas!

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Re: Re: Multiple BBSes
By: Havok to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Dec 25 2020 09:27 am

Howdy,

Let me ask you being you may know better then me, I'm thinking of playing
with docker why is it so much better the say oracle virtualbox. I'm wondering
myself being I have played with about all of them other the docker.

Why is it "better" is not really the right question - it does things differently (very differently) and depending on what you are wanting to do would determine if it was better (for you) or not.

VMware, Proxmox, Hyper-V, virtualbox, etc are all about slicing a machine up to run multiple "machines" on a single physical machine. So you need to manage devices, OSes, etc inside the virtualised environment. Some of those are better than others because, of features like machines floating between 2 physical machines, virtual networking, etc.

Docker is an application runtime environment and the analogy is "live CD". An application is "built" into an image, and the imagine doesnt change. So everytime you start the image anything inside it from last time is lost. If there is important data you need to keep, then you need to put that data on a persistent mount (analogy think USB stick that is used with the live CD).

What's good about the image, is it has everything it needs to run the application and it can run anywhere the docker runtime is installed (for the architecture of the application). As a example, I run Synchronet on my MAC while I code in javascript (for my videotex interface), but then deploy the same image on my linux host when I run it live. If you ran docker on Windows, that same image would work as well.

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Havok wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Let me ask you being you may know better then me, I'm thinking
of playing with docker why is it so much better the say oracle
virtualbox.

I'm not totally up on Docker, but the advantage is being able to run
containerized services in a way that you can template and recreate
easily.

Virtualbox just replaces physical hardware, but you still need to
load an OS, applications, and so on in the same way. You don't get
the flexibility you get with containers.

Does someone else want to chime in and explain this better than I
can?




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Re: Re: Multiple BBSes
By: deon to Havok on Sat Dec 26 2020 09:57 am

VMware, Proxmox, Hyper-V, virtualbox, etc are all about slicing a machine up to run multiple "machines" on a single physical machine. So you need to manage devices, OSes, etc inside the virtualised environment. Some of those are better than others because, of features like machines floating between 2 physical machines, virtual networking, etc.

If that is the case I'll stick with VMware!

I have ran VMware and Hyper-V and liked both, by the sounds of it I'll
stick with VMware for running a bulletin board.

Thanks for the information though...



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Re: Re: Multiple BBSes
By: Havok to deon on Sat Dec 26 2020 02:26 pm

Howdy,

If that is the case I'll stick with VMware!

Given that, I run both (VMware and docker), and where I can I put everything into docker images - I'm a huge fan.

My BBS (SBBS) and fidohub are both containers (that auto-build using gitlab CI).

I like docker for a few reasons:

* Its an OS environment that I dont need to manage, update, etc

* My OS hosts are very "thin" - bare, bare minimum, enough to run the docker runtime. (Again less to manage and less
security exposures.)

* And lastly, docker makes you think about "application files", "working space" and "data". Application files go in the
image, workspace I dont care about (its ephemeral), and data goes onto a persistent mount. So now, when I backup, I only need a copy of the image (which is in my registry and any other host that my container ran on), and the data of the application.

With this strategy, backup is super easy - and you can take the image with the data (for that image) and arhive it, move it between hosts very easily.

With VMware, I create 3 docker hosts and create a "swarm". Most of my containers "float" between the 3 hosts, enabling me to take 1 down for something (OS updates, etc), and the apps just float to another host and continue to run (without doing anything).

So for me, I'm a huge fan of docker (and of VMware).

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Re: Re: Multiple BBSes
By: deon to Havok on Sun Dec 27 2020 07:57 am

So for me, I'm a huge fan of docker (and of VMware).

It all sounds interesting and soon as I get a smaller server I'll have to
play with it. But as stated looking for a smaller server to run vmware on
then comes the play time.

Thanks for the information and ideas..

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