I WILL NOT use the term "kibibyte" or "mebibyte". Refuse to.
Don't change convention.
like calling something 'milk' when it's not coming from a mammal? :)
I like that the popular protein drink "MUSCLE MILK" has to say in small print, CONTAINS NO MILK.
Quoting Stormtrooper to Nigel Reed <=-
only play from it. That said, not sure where the term "drive" comes
from because hard drives don't really go any where. Then again, where
are 3 1/2" disks called floppies because they're not floppy at all. So
I suspect... that hard drive is a throw back to them good old days
when your HD was the size of a fridge and you had to install the
platters in it. In a real sense you inserted platters into the drive mechanism. Probably hung on after the platters became integrated and
the devices much smaller..
Quoting Stormtrooper to Slacker <=-
KB vs KiB, etc
For a good portion of my life I remember KB=1024 bytes. The past 10
years or so, its now KB bytes and a KiB is 1024 bytes.
I was under the impression, that your KB is still 1024 bytes, while
the KiB is the decimalised version being 1000 bytes...
Quoting Nightfox to Stormtrooper <=-
I suspect... that hard drive is a throw back to them good old days when your HD was the size of a fridge and you had to install the platters in it. In a real sense you inserted platters into the drive mechanism. Probably hung on after the platters became integrated and the devices much smaller..
I always thought it's called a "drive" because it's the device that "drives" the movement of the discs, similar to how a scrwdriver is the tool that "drives" the movement of a screw when you turn it.
Quoting Boraxman to Nightfox <=-
I think the problem may be if the "player" is also a "burner". If its
not, then perhaps its a way to distinguish between a drive which can
only real, and one which is read-write.
Quoting Boraxman to Nightfox <=-
Also, what is up with people calling them "Hard Drives", when they
should be "Hard Disks", or better yet, "Winchesters".
Quoting Roon to Phigan <=-
Do you think it's acceptable to call a PC optical drive a
"player"? I feel like that's not even really accurate, because
when you're watching
It totally bugs me when it's acceptable to call things what they
aren't!
like calling something 'milk' when it's not coming from a mammal? :)
Quoting Boraxman to Mortar M. <=-
I recall seeing some advertisements or articles in old magazines,
where they were called Winchesters, or something to that effect. Or a Winchester type drive.
Yes, I associate Winchesters with guns. I wonder if there is a Beretta
10M hard drive, and a Smith and Wesson 42M drive.
Quoting Nightfox to Roon <=-
Re: Is a PC optical drive a "player"?
By: Roon to phigan on Fri Apr 25 2025 02:01 pm
It totally bugs me when it's acceptable to call things what they aren't!
like calling something 'milk' when it's not coming from a mammal? :)
Yeah.. How exactly do you milk an almond? :P
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Xqtr <=-
xqtr wrote to Nightfox <=-
Back in the 90s, i had a 386 machine, which had a CDROM... that device
was only to use with the PC and read data or music. To listen music
from an audio CD, you needed to power on the PC and use some software
to play the audio...
Proprietary CD-ROM drives from the 90's - bad flashbacks! Either
playing audio through tinny tiny underpowered speakers or through your Walkman headphones if you had your computer on the desk. Otherwise, the cord wasn't long enough and you were out of luck.
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Roon <=-
We're on an express elevator, going DOWN!
Floppies used to be floppy - especially the 8" variety. 5 1/4" were minifloppies, and 3 1/2" were microfloppies. Would that make a USB stick
a nanoflopppy?
Back in the 90s, i had a 386 machine, which had a CDROM... that device
was only to use with the PC and read data or music. To listen music from an audio CD, you needed to power on the PC and use some software to play the audio...
Also, what is up with people calling them "Hard Drives", when they sh
be "Hard Disks", or better yet, "Winchesters".
Doesn't "disk" refer to the actual round platter(s) inside it? I always thought it was called a "drive" because it's a device that drives the motion of the disks, similar to how a screwdriver is used to "drive" the screw into the wood by turning it.
Also I've never heard the term "Winchester" for a storage device..?
Yeah.. How exactly do you milk an almond? :P
Oh no, we're not back to that park on driveway and drive on parkway
question are we? :)
Adept wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Salt Sense - Advertises that it contains something like 1/3rd less salt per teaspoon. Given that the contents are over 99% salt, just like with any other salt, they get this by making the granules bigger, thus increasing the amount of air included in a teaspoon.
So, if you want the exact same effect with table salt inside of a dish, you included 1/3rd less, and it's exactly the same. Or you could just
use kosher salt instead, and already be somewhere around there.
Cougar428 wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
Most of them also had an internal connector so you could plug it into
your Soundblaster card and get some decent tunes from your Pioneer headphones - albeit with twisty phone corded wired connection. My Soundblaster with surround sound logitech speakers (with booming base
box) was the shizzle back then. So the music from my propietary CD-ROM
was 'kickin' some beats.
Cougar428 wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-
We're on an express elevator, going DOWN!
Hudson - run a bypass...
Cougar428 wrote to boraxman <=-
Quoting Boraxman to Nightfox <=-
I think the problem may be if the "player" is also a "burner". If its
not, then perhaps its a way to distinguish between a drive which can
only real, and one which is read-write.
Boraxman - I think you are correct about the understanding part...
You - my friend are a real 'Playa'!
If you get my meaning!
Cougar428 wrote to boraxman <=-
Quoting Boraxman to Nightfox <=-
Also, what is up with people calling them "Hard Drives", when they
should be "Hard Disks", or better yet, "Winchesters".
I guess for me it goes back to when I was only able to use "Floppy
Disks" on my C64, I really, really wanted an LT Kernal "Hard Disk". I
had never heard of the Winchester, only the LT Kernal and had dreams of buying one instead of waiting 30 days for my 1541 to load Jumpman.
But, kosher salt is a conspiracy by THE MAN to get us to stop taking
iodized salt in an attempt to make us MORE SUSCEPTIBLE to cancer and therefore maximize profits for the MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
Oh, isn't this the CONSPIRACY echo?
Quoting Neoshock to Nigel Reed <=-
Actually Hard Drives do go some where, eventually to the trash after
about 5 years
StormTrooper wrote to Nightfox <=-
Doesn't "disk" refer to the actual round platter(s) inside it? I always thought it was called a "drive" because it's a device that drives the motion of the disks, similar to how a screwdriver is used to "drive" the screw into the wood by turning it.
Cougar428 wrote to NEOSHOCK <=-
I did buy a couple spares, but have never had to use them. I also back
it up with an HP 400/800MB tape drive and Colorado backup DOS - JIC.
My wife always buys whipped cream cheese. I don't like paying for AIR.
Oh, isn't this the CONSPIRACY echo?
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
Most of them also had an internal connector so you could plug it into
your Soundblaster card and get some decent tunes from your Pioneer headphones - albeit with twisty phone corded wired connection. My Soundblaster with surround sound logitech speakers (with booming base
box) was the shizzle back then. So the music from my propietary CD-ROM
was 'kickin' some beats.
Subwoofers were the thing back then. Now, my hearing isn't the
greatest, I'd rather use headphones. Also they help block out home
office noise - barking dogs, leaf blowers, etc.
I've convinced my son to wear hearing protection to concerts,
hopefully he continues to do so.
Quoting Boraxman to Cougar428 <=-
I think the problem may be if the "player" is also a "burner". If its
not, then perhaps its a way to distinguish between a drive which can
only real, and one which is read-write.
Boraxman - I think you are correct about the understanding part...
You - my friend are a real 'Playa'!
If you get my meaning!
Are you calling me a beach??
Quoting Boraxman to Cougar428 <=-
Also, what is up with people calling them "Hard Drives", when they
should be "Hard Disks", or better yet, "Winchesters".
I guess for me it goes back to when I was only able to use "Floppy
Disks" on my C64, I really, really wanted an LT Kernal "Hard Disk". I
had never heard of the Winchester, only the LT Kernal and had dreams of buying one instead of waiting 30 days for my 1541 to load Jumpman.
Disk? I started with the tape drive. Got a disk drive because a
friend lent me one. Try waiting 5 minutes for things to load from
tape. I'd just sometimes switch the channel and watch TV, then switch back, unless the load music and screen was really cool.
I've still got a working 1570 disk drive. Really slow, but so
satisfying to use.
Are you calling me a beach??
Full circle, why is it called a disk instead of a disc? That really
bugs me! :^P
Cougar428 wrote to boraxman <=-
Quoting Boraxman to Cougar428 <=-
I think the problem may be if the "player" is also a "burner". If its
not, then perhaps its a way to distinguish between a drive which can
only real, and one which is read-write.
Boraxman - I think you are correct about the understanding part...
You - my friend are a real 'Playa'!
If you get my meaning!
Are you calling me a beach??
If the umbrella fits, a whale of a beach!
Uh oh - Flame wars! (easy there, just kidding)
Cougar428 wrote to boraxman <=-
Quoting Boraxman to Cougar428 <=-
Also, what is up with people calling them "Hard Drives", when they
should be "Hard Disks", or better yet, "Winchesters".
I guess for me it goes back to when I was only able to use "Floppy
Disks" on my C64, I really, really wanted an LT Kernal "Hard Disk". I
had never heard of the Winchester, only the LT Kernal and had dreams of buying one instead of waiting 30 days for my 1541 to load Jumpman.
Disk? I started with the tape drive. Got a disk drive because a
friend lent me one. Try waiting 5 minutes for things to load from
tape. I'd just sometimes switch the channel and watch TV, then switch back, unless the load music and screen was really cool.
I've still got a working 1570 disk drive. Really slow, but so
satisfying to use.
Full circle, why is it called a disk instead of a disc? That really
bugs me! :^P
Seagate's moved their headquarters long ago, but the buildings are still there. The address? 1 Disk Drive, Scotts Valley, CA.
I wonder how many companies have an
Disk? I started with the tape drive. Got a disk drive because a
friend lent me one. Try waiting 5 minutes for things to load from
tape. I'd just sometimes switch the channel and watch TV, then switch back, unless the load music and screen was really cool.
Any why are they called bugs, when they are errors? That bugs me too!
Also I've never heard the term "Winchester" for a storage device..?
telnet://bbs.roonsbbs.hu:1212 <<=-
Also I've never heard the term "Winchester" for a storage device..?
i'm still using winchester, when referring to a HDD in a hungarian conversation :)
Quoting Boraxman to Cougar428 <=-
Full circle, why is it called a disk instead of a disc? That really
bugs me! :^P
Any why are they called bugs, when they are errors? That bugs me too!
Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Cougar428 <=-
Cougar428 wrote to NEOSHOCK <=-
I did buy a couple spares, but have never had to use them. I also back
it up with an HP 400/800MB tape drive and Colorado backup DOS - JIC.
And now I'm hearing the sound of a QIC drive hooked up to a floppy controller. Fwuuuuuuup.... Fwuuuuuuuup... long pause...
fweeeeeeeep... And so on, for hours. Damn, those things were slow.
Re: Is a PC optical drive a "player"?
By: Roon to Nightfox on Mon Apr 28 2025 08:43 pm
Also I've never heard the term "Winchester" for a storage device..?
i'm still using winchester, when referring to a HDD in a hungarian conversation :)
Winchester drives are drives with sealed platters/heads. Made for a quantum reduction in size. Imagine if in the present day we had to
create old-tech gigabyte drives with removeable disk packs, a gig the
size of a washing machine?
Quoting Boraxman to Cougar428 <=-
Full circle, why is it called a disk instead of a disc? That really
bugs me! :^P
Any why are they called bugs, when they are errors? That bugs me too
Errors really irritate me!
(tag, your it)
Quoting Boraxman to Cougar428 <=-
Full circle, why is it called a disk instead of a disc? That really
bugs me! :^P
Any why are they called bugs, when they are errors? That bugs me too
Errors really irritate me!
(tag, your it)
And irritation leads me to make errors. Its a vicious circle.
In a tangentially related "old man yells at cloud" issue:
KB vs KiB, etc
For a good portion of my life I remember KB=1024 bytes. The past 10 years or so, its now KB bytes and a KiB is 1024 bytes.
I WILL NOT use the term "kibibyte" or "mebibyte". Refuse to.
Don't change convention.
I've never referred to them that way. Only way it's a player is if it's a standalone device. Stuff like a walkman, CD player, DVD/BD player, stuff like that. Otherwise it's just a drive. I don't call my old PS2's disc tray a DVD player.
Floppies used to be floppy - especially the 8" variety. 5 1/4" were minifloppies, and 3 1/2" were microfloppies. Would that make a USB stick
a nanoflopppy?
Do you think it's acceptable to call a PC optical drive a "player"?
Do you think it's acceptable to call a PC optical drive a "player"?
No. But even more to the point, PC optical drives are unacceptable! My last few desktop builds don't have 'em, my laptops don't have 'em. I really hope nobody ever hands me a CD or DVD disc again because I won't have a handy way to read it (though yes, I do own some USB optical drives... somewhere).
So it's understandable that people don't know what they're called because you don't really see/use them any longer! :-)
If it's DVD-ROM or CD-ROM then yes, it would be a player since you can
only play from it.
That said, not sure where the term "drive" comes
from because hard drives don't really go any where.
Then again, where
are 3 1/2" disks called floppies because they're not floppy at all.
So many conundrums when it comes to computer hardware.
In a tangentially related "old man yells at cloud" issue:
KB vs KiB, etc
For a good portion of my life I remember KB=1024 bytes. The past 10 years or so, its now KB bytes and a KiB is 1024 bytes.
I've come to terms with the change but I don't really like it.
At work, the legacy system I work on refers to storage in base 2 so a KB=1024 but interacts with newer services that are base 10 where KB=1000 so there's a headache of conversions.
Anyway, I don't really understand why that all changed. I've heard people mention HDD storage manufacturers using base 10 as marketing and it stuck but that seems like an odd reason to upend everything.
...that's the end of my rant on that. I'm probably wrong so take it with a grain of salt. lol
Hey Nightfox!
On Thu, Apr 24 2025 20:02:53 -0500, you wrote:
I've heard people say it's the other way around.. KB is supposedly supposed to be 1000 bytes and KiB is 1024.
FYI, in a quick duckduckgo search.. my first two results conflict each other.
1st result:
Kibibyte = 1
Kilobyte = 1.024
2nd result:
1 kB = 1000 bytes; 1 KiB = 1024 bytes
Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-
I've been seeing more and more posts online recently where people have said they've gotten back to buying (or started buying) physical media because they're frustrated with streaming services removing things &
such.
Digital Man wrote to slacker <=-
etc.) is that solution. It'd been better if we could go back in time
and not use K=1024 to begin with, but oh well. Here we are.
jimmylogan wrote to Nightfox <=-
You'd buy a record and have to go through the trouble of
playing it - so you didn't just skip to the next one, etc.
I've been seeing more and more posts online recently where people have
said they've gotten back to buying (or started buying) physical media
because they're frustrated with streaming services removing things &
such.
A buddy of mine was telling me today about a book he found called "Revenge of Analog." It's about the cultural shift of buying physical media.
We talked about back in the day when you'd see a comic on the shelf / spinner rack and that's how you learned about it!
You'd buy a record and have to go through the trouble of playing it - so you didn't just skip to the next one, etc.
In a few million years, maybe we'll grow 2 extra thumbs and get rid of
base 10. Sure would help my phone typing...
I usually bought cassettes, lending themselves more to listening
So we'd count in base 12?
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to jimmylogan <=-
jimmylogan wrote to Nightfox <=-
You'd buy a record and have to go through the trouble of
playing it - so you didn't just skip to the next one, etc.
I usually bought cassettes, lending themselves more to listening
straight through. LPs were made to be listened to straight through, had
a flow, and I miss that.
Nightfox wrote to jimmylogan <=-
Re: Is a PC optical drive a "
By: jimmylogan to Nightfox on Fri May 09 2025 11:10 pm
I've been seeing more and more posts online recently where people have
said they've gotten back to buying (or started buying) physical media
because they're frustrated with streaming services removing things &
such.
A buddy of mine was telling me today about a book he found called "Revenge of Analog." It's about the cultural shift of buying physical media.
The title feels like a bit of a misnomer.. A lot of the physical media
in use today (CDs, DVDs, blu-ray, 4K blu-ray) are digital formats. And
I still feel like the use of the term "digital" to refer to online streaming is a little weird (since the aforementioned physical formats
are digital media).
I don't recall if I'd seen that, but that's cool. I do remember in the late 90s/early 2000s, some music stores (such as Tower Records) started having spots on the rack with headphones and would let you choose from
a selection of albums or songs to listen to.
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