Isn't finished yet...

I know you thought that when you saw the subject lol.

Slowly working on it, still working on the bluewave down function, and so
far it only scans email, and may or may not work.

Yeah I've not done much. I wiped windows off my computer the other day..
as fedora 34 & steam + proton seem to work with my game.

So doing coding on linux again, I'm using sublime edit, not quiet as good
as VS, but not too bad.

I have a headless windows PC that I will remote desktop into to compile /
test the windows version.

Got fedora 34 XFCE spin running here, I think it might be using wayland,
but not sure how to tell - which is a good thing I guess.

Anyway just posting an update.. I have to think of a door to make for
Patreons in May.. not sure what yet.

Andrew

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apam wrote to All <=-

Isn't finished yet...
I know you thought that when you saw the subject lol.

Laugh.

Slowly working on it, still working on the bluewave down function, and
so far it only scans email, and may or may not work.

You'll get it... you've done it once before. :)

Shawn

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You'll get it... you've done it once before. :)

Yeah, it's just getting the motivation to sit down and do it. It will be the next feature, just might take a bit longer - not that it's really all that much work. A lot of it is similar to QWK, well I guess because it does mostly the same thing.

One thing I'd like to avoid is more configuration for message areas.. Bluewave uses tags vs numbers in qwk... I'm thinking about just using tags like AREA100 for the area that has qwk id of 100. I could use echomail tags, but that falls down with local bases.

I *think* those tags are hidden anyway, and visualy the client shows the actual name of the area vs the tag.

Anyway, I'll do some more soon. :)

Andrew

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apam wrote to All <=-

So doing coding on linux again, I'm using sublime edit, not quiet as
good as VS, but not too bad.

Try vscode, that's about as close as you can get. And with extensions,
you'll be really pretty close.

I use codium (a rebuild version of the open source vscode), they turn
off the telemetry tracking and what-not. Microsoft is cracking
down on it -- so it can't by default find the extensions you need.

You can still go to the vscode marketplace and download the vsix files
to install in codium, but more work.

c/c++, bookmarks, cmake, and clang-format are my "must haves".

Take care,
bugz

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Apam wrote to Tiny <=-

One thing I'd like to avoid is more configuration for message areas.. Bluewave uses tags vs numbers in qwk... I'm thinking about just using
tags like AREA100 for the area that has qwk id of 100. I could use echomail tags, but that falls down with local bases.

Why not just use the qwk id number as the area tag? Why re-invent the
wheel? Or does it need a letter too?

I *think* those tags are hidden anyway, and visualy the client shows
the actual name of the area vs the tag.

The client shows the actual name of the area correct.

Anyway, I'll do some more soon. :)

No worries my freind. :)

Shawn

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Why not just use the qwk id number as the area tag? Why re-invent the wheel? Or does it need a letter too?

I could do that. I guess it doesn't really need to have "AREA" prepended
to it, I just wasn't sure if the area tag needed to be human readable -
though I suppose AREA100 isn't any more informative than 100 lol.

Andrew

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One thing I'd like to avoid is more configuration for message areas.. Bluewave uses tags vs numbers in qwk... I'm thinking about just using
tags like AREA100 for the area that has qwk id of 100. I could use echomail tags, but that falls down with local bases.

I *think* those tags are hidden anyway, and visualy the client shows
the actual name of the area vs the tag.

apam,
If it helps, on my magicka system, this area is set up like this:

[FSX_MAG - Magicka BBS Support]
Read Sec Level = 10
Write Sec Level = 10
Path = /home/bbs/MagickaBBS/msgs/fsx_mag
; local / echo or netmail
Type = Echo
QWK Name = FSX_Magika
QWK Conference = 2188

In my bluewave packet that I am reading in Multimail for DOS, what I see for this echo is the first line, in the brackets. I don't see the QWK Name or whatever tag is being used.

So I think you are correct about it using the actual name.



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apam wrote to Tiny <=-

I could do that. I guess it doesn't really need to have "AREA"
prepended to it, I just wasn't sure if the area tag needed to be human readable - though I suppose AREA100 isn't any more informative than 100 lol.

I'll let you know it ends up looking, but from what I reemember in Magicka
when I was reading the packet it displayed the message areas as defined.

Shawn

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Hey

I think I have bluewave downloading working... I'm still testing it, but
if you want to test it, hit 'V' on happyland message menu.

I did notice a potential problem... bluewave is going to puke on large
message bases I think.. the msgno is an unsigned short, whereas the
msgno in squish is an unsigned long..

that means if there are too many messages (regardless of if you purge)
the msg no will overflow..

65535 is the max for unsigned short. So, at some point you may have to "Archive" your message bases and start over with fresh message bases.

Andrew

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Can you chunk them up into N message bases where N == # messages / 65535?

i.e. FSX_GEN1, FSX_GEN2, ..., FSX_GENN?

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Can you chunk them up into N message bases where N == # messages /
65535?

i.e. FSX_GEN1, FSX_GEN2, ..., FSX_GENN?

That's an interesting idea.

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apam wrote to All <=-

65535 is the max for unsigned short. So, at some point you may have to "Archive" your message bases and start over with fresh message bases.

What did you do in Magicka? ie: did JAM support a max of 65535 or?

Also... that reminds me, does postie pack and purge the message base or do
I need something else to do that?

I will test it for you on Sunday. Possibly Saturday morning depending on
when I wake up as it's my late start day.

Shawn

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What did you do in Magicka? ie: did JAM support a max of 65535 or?

I didn't do anything in Magicka, I think JAM supports more messages than
that, I just didn't think of it until I was redoing it in talisman.

Also... that reminds me, does postie pack and purge the message base
or do I need something else to do that?

Postie doesn't do those things. You shouldn't need to do that unless you
delete messages I think. Even if you delete messages though, squish will
fill up the holes with new messages that fit.

I guess I should allow for message deletion.

Andrew

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Hi

I've finished bluewave now, just testing netmails with it.. (sent one to
tiny via happynet and one to rushfan via wwivnet) so am waiting to see if
they go through without any hassles.

I haven't done anything about the message base limit. I've still not
decided on the best way of dealing with that. It won't be a problem for a
while though. I do like rushfan's idea.

I'm thinking of adding a +XXX to the echo tag, so for example if a base
has a qwk id of 609, then if a base get's full of messages I could make
the echo tag 609+XXX and all message numbers would have XXX added to them.

My main concern with rushfan's idea, is if a packet spans messages over
the cutoff, like some messages under and some over. I'm not sure how that
would work.

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apam wrote to Tiny <=-

I didn't do anything in Magicka, I think JAM supports more messages
than that, I just didn't think of it until I was redoing it in
talisman.

Ahhhh. I see.

Postie doesn't do those things. You shouldn't need to do that unless
you delete messages I think. Even if you delete messages though, squish will fill up the holes with new messages that fit.

If I ran into an issue I would just delete the message base. I don't think this stuff is mission critical like some people do. :) Having said that I started work on a program to convert the postie.toml to a squish.cfg so one could easily pack the message bases if they wanted. Who know's if I'll ever finish it. ;)

Shawn

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apam wrote to All <=-

My main concern with rushfan's idea, is if a packet spans messages over the cutoff, like some messages under and some over. I'm not sure how
that would work.

How about a limit in the bluewave section? ie: the most number of messages
you can download in an area is the last 2000. I mean... who in their right mind is going to download 65535+ messages in a single area? Maybe I'm not understanding the issue though?

Shawn

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Tiny wrote to apam <=-

apam wrote to All <=-

My main concern with rushfan's idea, is if a packet spans messages over the cutoff, like some messages under and some over. I'm not sure how
that would work.

How about a limit in the bluewave section? ie: the most number of messages you can download in an area is the last 2000. I mean... who
in their right mind is going to download 65535+ messages in a single
area? Maybe I'm not understanding the issue though?

No, it's the message numbers, not the number of messages. So you could
download 65520-65550 and it would only be 30 messages. The number of the message is important because it's used in replys to get the right reply
kludge.

Andrew


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apam wrote (2021-05-07):

My main concern with rushfan's idea, is if a packet spans messages
over the cutoff, like some messages under and some over. I'm not
sure how that would work.

How about a limit in the bluewave section? ie: the most number of
messages you can download in an area is the last 2000. I mean...
who in their right mind is going to download 65535+ messages in a
single area? Maybe I'm not understanding the issue though?

No, it's the message numbers, not the number of messages. So you could download 65520-65550 and it would only be 30 messages. The number of the message is important because it's used in replys to get the right reply kludge.

QWK and Bluewave seems broken by design. The only sane format seems to be SOUP, but RFC822 is another can of worms regarding complexity.

I never understood why people used QWK / Bluewave back in the 90s (I tried and was not convinced). Crosspoint or a FTN editor seemed so much more enjoyable to use. But I have to admit, I haven't used an offline reader since then. Maybe someone can remind me what the advantages of offline readers are?

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Oli wrote to apam <=-

QWK and Bluewave seems broken by design. The only sane format seems to
be SOUP, but RFC822 is another can of worms regarding complexity.

I don't think they're broken. Some implementations might be broken, but
that's not the fault of the format.

I'm sure we could design something that fits our needs better now, than
the needs of those who designed the specs - Rob has done a good job of extending QWK to suit synchronets needs and maintaining backward compatability.

The only flaw I can see in bluewave is the one we're discussing, but that
might be me not understanding things correctly - and if I am, there are
a few ways to work around it making it a non issue.

I never understood why people used QWK / Bluewave back in the 90s (I
tried and was not convinced). Crosspoint or a FTN editor seemed so much more enjoyable to use. But I have to admit, I haven't used an offline reader since then. Maybe someone can remind me what the advantages of offline readers are?

I used it in the 90s, because the BBSes in my area only had one node, and
time limits. I could download mail and spend the rest of my time leeching files. Rather than waste it all typing in messages.

As to why people use it now, I'm sure most don't. Tiny does, and he's
explained why, and he's really the only reason I'm adding bluewave anyway.

Andrew


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Re: Bluewave
By: Oli to apam on Fri May 07 2021 11:36 am

I never understood why people used QWK / Bluewave back in the 90s (I tried and was not convinced). Crosspoint or a FTN editor seemed so much more enjoyable to use. But I have to admit, I haven't used an offline reader since then. Maybe someone can remind me what the advantages of offline readers are?

I used offline mail simply because of the time limits that were a constraint back in the day. That way I still had time to download files if I needed to do that.

Offline mail does work well even today. The only thing I don't like is that you are limited to the packet you have open. A point reader is much better but pointing was never big around these parts. I have three points on board at the moment and never had more than two or three, even back in the heyday.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Al wrote (2021-05-07):

I never understood why people used QWK / Bluewave back in the 90s
(I tried and was not convinced). Crosspoint or a FTN editor seemed
so much more enjoyable to use. But I have to admit, I haven't used
an offline reader since then. Maybe someone can remind me what the
advantages of offline readers are?

I used offline mail simply because of the time limits that were a constraint back in the day. That way I still had time to download files
if I needed to do that.

Offline mail does work well even today. The only thing I don't like is
that you are limited to the packet you have open. A point reader is much better but pointing was never big around these parts. I have three points on board at the moment and never had more than two or three, even back in the heyday.

If there had not been the point (or node) option, I would also had used QWK and Bluewave longer. For me the time limit in the BBS was mostly the phone bill. I also tend to forget there were cultural differences between Europe and the US. Maybe the availability of CrossPoint (with UI and documentation in German) was another reason many users got a point address.

Now trying to build OpenXP and see if it has a working QWK module...

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Re: Bluewave
By: Oli to Al on Sat May 08 2021 08:27 am

If there had not been the point (or node) option, I would also had used QWK and Bluewave longer. For me the time limit in the BBS was mostly the phone bill. I also tend to forget there were cultural differences between Europe and the US. Maybe the availability of CrossPoint (with UI and documentation in German) was another reason many users got a point address.

I never had a per call cost for the phone, it was per month. BBSs were popular then and it was hard to get a connect. I would put 5-10 BBSs in my dialer and it would dial away until it got a connect. Usually I would get one in 10-20 minutes, maybe not on weekends!

When I did connect it was typical to have a 30-60 minute time limit.

Now trying to build OpenXP and see if it has a working QWK module...

Ogg could tell us if OpenXP does QWK. Golded does QWK but you have to setup the areas in your config. I don't remember the steps anymore but it works.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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apam wrote to Tiny <=-

No, it's the message numbers, not the number of messages. So you could download 65520-65550 and it would only be 30 messages. The number of
the message is important because it's used in replys to get the right reply kludge.

Ohhh I see. I wonder how ezycom and the others deal with it? I can email Stephen and ask him what he does in ezy if you want?

Shawn

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apam wrote to Oli <=-

As to why people use it now, I'm sure most don't. Tiny does, and he's explained why, and he's really the only reason I'm adding bluewave
anyway.

Ahhhh shucks. I did join patreon, I figured I can give up 3 cans of beer
a month for the cause. ;)

Yes I've explained why but will again quickly for Oli. In the summer when
I'm "In the woods" I have very limited bandwith, and a point setup doesn't
work as I use different computers depending on weather I'm in the city or
the woods. Offline works the best for me keeping LRP updated and the
same interface.

Shawn

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Ahhhh shucks. I did join patreon, I figured I can give up 3 cans of
beer a month for the cause. ;)

I saw that, thanks! Really appreciate it.

the woods. Offline works the best for me keeping LRP updated and the
same interface.

What's LRP?

Andrew

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Ohhh I see. I wonder how ezycom and the others deal with it? I can
email Stephen and ask him what he does in ezy if you want?

Sure, if you want to - does ezycom use squish though? For some reason I
thought it used it's own format for message areas?

Though, I suppose it wouldn't matter what the format is as long as when
you repack the base the numbers stay the same.

Do message bases often fill up to over 64k messages? I see fsx_gen on
agency is over 98k now, but for some reason I think there are a lot of
dupes in it (I seem to remember Paul saying something about that?)

Probably the best solution would be to just archive the base when it gets
that big, (or delete it). You could just rename the .sq? files and set
them up as a read only base then you could still read the old messages,
but new ones would go into a fresh base.

I'm honestly not really worried about it - by the time you reach 64k
messages in a base we will be on to new BBS iteration 3 or 4 I'm sure...
(LOL)

Andrew

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apam wrote to Tiny <=-

Sure, if you want to - does ezycom use squish though? For some reason I thought it used it's own format for message areas?

You are correct.

Though, I suppose it wouldn't matter what the format is as long as when you repack the base the numbers stay the same.

I've never really thought of it.

Do message bases often fill up to over 64k messages? I see fsx_gen on agency is over 98k now, but for some reason I think there are a lot of dupes in it (I seem to remember Paul saying something about that?)

Not here as I set a maximum of like 10k to the base. I figure after that who cares. I don't keep messages forever as this is not mission critical, this is just a hobby for me.

I'm honestly not really worried about it - by the time you reach 64k messages in a base we will be on to new BBS iteration 3 or 4 I'm
sure... (LOL)

LOL Probably!

Shawn

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apam wrote to Tiny <=-

the woods. Offline works the best for me keeping LRP updated and the
same interface.

What's LRP?

Last read pointers.

Re: Bluewave - In Multimail I get an error opening the packet that says recieved incorrect EOF, and it shuts down. Under the actual bluewave
reader I am able to open the packet, see what mail I have and the messages
in each area. However when I attempt to read one it just goes back to
the index page of messages.

I'll email you a link to the packet.

Shawn

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I'll email you a link to the packet.

Thanks for that, it was a bug in the windows version... I had incorrectly assumed Windows had the same endian macros as linux oops.

I've sent you an updated Talisman.exe you can copy over the top and it
should fix it.

I've also updated the install package on the website with the fix.
(Though I didn't bump the version number, I figured you're the only one
who uses windows at the moment anyway)

Andrew

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apam wrote (2021-05-08):

Do message bases often fill up to over 64k messages?

Depends on the echomail area. 65k is not that many messages in a busy echo. If you archived all messages from the 80s/90s until today in an echo, there might be a lot more than 65k.

I see fsx_gen on
agency is over 98k now, but for some reason I think there are a lot of dupes in it (I seem to remember Paul saying something about that?)

I don't believe it is a lot of dupes. FSX_GEN hit 2**16 messages sometimes in fall 2019 IIRC. The last 12 month we had around 14000 messages in FSX_GEN and my impression was that traffic went a bit down (after the no-poltics rule).

Anyway, more then 65k can happen.

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Tiny wrote (2021-05-08):

apam wrote to Oli <=-

As to why people use it now, I'm sure most don't. Tiny does, and
he's explained why, and he's really the only reason I'm adding
bluewave anyway.

Ahhhh shucks. I did join patreon, I figured I can give up 3 cans of beer
a month for the cause. ;)

Yes I've explained why but will again quickly for Oli. In the summer when I'm "In the woods" I have very limited bandwith, and a point setup doesn't work as I use different computers depending on weather I'm in the city or the woods. Offline works the best for me keeping LRP updated and the
same interface.

I get the offline part, I'm also reading offline. I was wondering why QWK and/or BlueWave for offline reading instead of getting FTN packets through a binkp connection. You can even install Mystic and can read the mail in your local Mystic BBS (or some preferred BBS, point or FTN software).

I'm not saying you shouldn't use QWK or BlueWave, I'm just curious.

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Thanks for that, it was a bug in the windows version... I had
incorrectly
assumed Windows had the same endian macros as linux oops.

New bug - This time I could read the packet no problem. When I upload
the .new packet Talisman just hangs up on me and none of the messages are imported. I have a .new packet ready to go whenever. ;)

Nothing in the log....

Shawn

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New bug - This time I could read the packet no problem. When I upload
the .new packet Talisman just hangs up on me and none of the messages
are
imported. I have a .new packet ready to go whenever. ;)

All good, thanks! I've sent you a new talisman.exe and updated the
install package again....

LOL this time, I'm sure it will work!

Andrew

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apam wrote to Tiny <=-

I'll email you a link to the packet.

Thanks for that, it was a bug in the windows version... I had
incorrectly assumed Windows had the same endian macros as linux oops.

No problem. :)

I've sent you an updated Talisman.exe you can copy over the top and it should fix it.

If you see this it's now working. ;) I can read the packet this time around
no problem. :)

(Though I didn't bump the version number, I figured you're the only one who uses windows at the moment anyway)

Sorry to be so difficult as a Windows user... but it's like I've got something I like without the hassles of a big hard to configure package like Mystic / SBBS.
(Not that they are not great - they are and I've run them both. I just prefer simple at this stage of the game)

Shawn

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Oli wrote to Tiny <=-

Yes I've explained why but will again quickly for Oli. In the summer when I'm "In the woods" I have very limited bandwith, and a point setup doesn't work as I use different computers depending on weather I'm in the city or the woods. Offline works the best for me keeping LRP updated and the
same interface.

I get the offline part, I'm also reading offline. I was wondering why
QWK and/or BlueWave for offline reading instead of getting FTN packets through a binkp connection. You can even install Mystic and can read
the mail in your local Mystic BBS (or some preferred BBS, point or FTN software).

I re quoted what I said check lines 2 and 3 of my above post. That should explain it to you in enough detail to understand? If not... So if I have 2 computers but I access one of them twice a week and the other 3 times a week the point database is all out of wack. I don't want to have to bring the woods computer home to wifi and sync everything up.

Shawn

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apam wrote to Tiny <=-

LOL this time, I'm sure it will work!

I uploaded the messages from yesterday and it looks like it did. ;)

Shawn

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Sorry to be so difficult as a Windows user... but it's like I've got

Nah you're not difficult. I'm glad you're helping with the bugs :)

I'm turning of happyland tonight as we've got a thunderstorm brewing. Will
get onto fixing those dupe problems tomorrow.

Andrew

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Quoting Oli to Apam <=-

I never understood why people used QWK / Bluewave back in the 90s (I
tried and was not convinced). Crosspoint or a FTN editor seemed so
much more enjoyable to use. But I have to admit, I haven't used an offline reader since then. Maybe someone can remind me what the advantages of offline readers are?

Many more resources to read, write, search messages and a very nice
text screen visual. I use OpenXP and I like it. But I like using
BlueWave more.


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I'm turning of happyland tonight as we've got a thunderstorm brewing.
Will
get onto fixing those dupe problems tomorrow.

Now it seems fine... Almost like there was a bad packet or something that
was causing problems and when I cleared out the temp directory and
inbound it cleared it up. Granted I did lose some mail but as I've said
this isn't mission critical anyway. ;)

Shawn

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