Hi

I'm currently working on adding reply linking to magicka, but I'm
wondering how to visualize this.

magimail has always linked messages, but magicka has not for locally
written messages.

It does now (in a branch), but beyond creating a threaded message listing (which I don't really want to do) how should I use this reply linking in
a useful way?

Mystic seems to have "In Reference To" and "See Also" fields, but how
does that work if there are several replys to a message?

Any input would be helpful :)

Andrew

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Why not treat them like a Forum Thread?

Just a thought.

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Mystic seems to have "In Reference To" and "See Also" fields, but how
does that work if there are several replys to a message?

You can take this a ways if you want. I was just looking at a message you
wrote to me and I also replied to you. In Golded's header beside the
message number it says (it's message number 81) -80 +82 indicating
previous messages and replies.

If you want to get really detailed you can add keys like -,+ or <,> to
follow threads or keys like O, to go to the original message.

If your so inclined I'd grab a copy of golded and install it. There is a keyword in the config to use a crashmail or crashecho config. It'll
likely read magimail's config (I hope). You'd be looking for golded-plus.
It was on sourceforge but I think it's at github nowadays.

Ttyl :-)
Al

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I personally would use the KISS method...
I have no problem with messages simply saying "Re: ...."

But you can make it however you like.
I know I suggested Forum-Like structure, but to be honest, for me thats just overkill...

My Vote: Subject: Re: .....
People can see and follow that "Thread" themselves easily...

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On 13 Oct 2019 at 11:09p, garycrunk pondered and said...

I personally would use the KISS method...
I have no problem with messages simply saying "Re: ...."

That's pretty much what we have at present, and for the most part how I'd
like it to stay.

But you can make it however you like.
I know I suggested Forum-Like structure, but to be honest, for me thats just overkill...

It's an interesting idea, but would require a lot of reworking on the message listing side, and I'm not sure how many would like it.

The reply linking is a feature that JAM message bases provides, and up until now I've just ignored, in my opinion, i'd probably never use it anyway, so really just looking for a way to enhance the current experience, for those who'd be interested.

Still, the forum idea is an interesting one. Perhaps I could look at making something on the web side...

Andrew

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If you want to get really detailed you can add keys like -,+ or <,> to follow threads or keys like O, to go to the original message.

I think this might be the way to go.. something like :

<, > will go throught messages at the same level of reply, -, + will go up
and down.

So if your message structure is like :

Original Message
|- Reply One
|- Reply Two
|- Reply Three
|- Repley Three POint one
|- Reply Four

Hmm, not sure how to explain what I'm thinking.. too much beer lol

You get the idea though I think

I will checkout golded.

Andrew

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I think this might be the way to go.. something like :

<, > will go throught messages at the same level of reply, -, + will go
up and down.

Yep, I think that would be plenty.

You get the idea though I think

Yep.

I will checkout golded.

If you do.. in one of the directories is an advanced.cfg and simple.cfg.
Copy one of those to golded.cfg and you'll be mostly there. I'd use
simple.cfg for a start. I only use a few items from the advanced.cfg for taglines and a few other things I forget now.

You'll need to export the location of the golded.cfg.

Golded has all kinds of good stuff with messaging. Linking, formatting
and reflowing come to mind that you'll be able to look over the source
for.. :)

Ttyl :-)
Al

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I'm currently working on adding reply linking to magicka, but I'm wondering how to visualize this.

[...]

, but beyond creating a threaded message
listing (which I don't really want to do) how should I use this reply linking in a useful way?

I'm reading FSX_GEN in threaded view mode, because it's much easier to follow the conversations. But this is in Thunderbird with a GUI, the ability to show every message as read or unread and a filter that show only unread messages. I'm not sure how well that would work in a 80x25 terminal anyway.

The forum-like view seems to be a good idea. I see only one technical limititation with the JAM messagebase: there is only a last read pointer and no
concept of unread and read messages. In a forum like view it's nice to be able
to jump to the first unread message, which is not possible with just one global last read pointer.

Maybe you were looking for a simpler solution with reply linking info displayed
in the header of the message.

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The forum-like view seems to be a good idea. I see only one technical limititation with the JAM messagebase: there is only a last read pointer and no
concept of unread and read messages. In a forum like view it's nice to
be able
to jump to the first unread message, which is not possible with just one global last read pointer.

Yes, but one doesn't have to use the JAM last read pointer mechanisms. A
few years ago I switched to using sqlite for last read pointers, so each individual message could be read/unread by each user. Unfortunatly it was
waaay to slow (my implementation that is) so I scrapped it.

Maybe you were looking for a simpler solution with reply linking info displayed
in the header of the message.

Yeah perhaps. Just not sure how to display it. I currently have reply navigation as al suggested implemented though.

Andrew


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Yep, I think that would be plenty.

It's working now :D Was a little easier than I thought it would be.

I will merge the reply linking branch into master soon, and will be the
start of v0.13alpha.

At present the keys are undocumented.. [,] and +,- navigate threads.

Thanks for the idea :)

Andrew


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I will merge the reply linking branch into master soon, and will be the start of v0.13alpha.

Looking forward to it..

At present the keys are undocumented.. [,] and +,- navigate threads.

I think [,] is used already.

Thanks for the idea :)

I thought it was your idea.. but your welcome.. :)

Ttyl :-)
Al

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Quoting apam to garycrunk <=-

Still, the forum idea is an interesting one. Perhaps I could look at making something on the web side...

I think the console end would be fine with the RE: or the message
numbers as per others.

Web end might be interesting to make it forum like, might make it
easier for people who have never known anything else, but it also
seems like re-inventing the wheel.... Basically just ignore this
entire message as I have nothing to add and just wanted to hear myself
talk.

Shawn

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Still, the forum idea is an interesting one. Perhaps I could look
at making something on the web side...

I think the console end would be fine with the RE: or the message
numbers as per others.

But how do we convince ezycom to put a REPLYID kludge in the header? ;)

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14 Oct 19 16:07, you wrote to me:

But how do we convince ezycom to put a REPLYID kludge in the header?

By switching software. :( I'm looking at MagickaBBS again as I'm ready
to just switch to modern and do away with legacy alltogether. Doorparty
will be doors etc. ;)

Shawn


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Web end might be interesting to make it forum like, might make it
easier for people who have never known anything else, but it also
seems like re-inventing the wheel.... Basically just ignore this
entire message as I have nothing to add and just wanted to hear
myself talk.

Yeah, it does seem like reinventing the wheel. I'm not really sure what
I'm going to do on the web side.

Andrew

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I think [,] is used already.

Yeah, skip that.. the message reading prompt is different that the
message menu..

I'll get there.. ;)

Ttyl :-)
Al

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Yeah, it does seem like reinventing the wheel. I'm not really sure what I'm going to do on the web side.

The web side works well from what I have seen. It could use next and
previous buttons maybe?

Ttyl :-)
Al

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Quoting apam to Tiny <=-

Yeah, it does seem like reinventing the wheel. I'm not really sure
what I'm going to do on the web side.

I know I'm in the minority, but I really like the web side as it is
(mostly) it works on mobile devices as well as laptop. I used it a
lot when I had spotty internet connections in the woods.

Shawn

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Tiny wrote to apam <=-

I know I'm in the minority, but I really like the web side as it is
(mostly) it works on mobile devices as well as laptop. I used it a
lot when I had spotty internet connections in the woods.

I also like it. It really has come in handy when I am out of town. I like
how it tells me whether or not an area has new messages in it. The default sbbs interface does not do so (I know, I need to upgrade to echicken's but
I have not got around to it yet!).


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Quoting apam to Tiny <=-

Yeah, it does seem like reinventing the wheel. I'm not really sur
what I'm going to do on the web side.

I know I'm in the minority, but I really like the web side as it is
(mostly) it works on mobile devices as well as laptop. I used it a
lot when I had spotty internet connections in the woods.

I don't think you're in the minority. I like it the way it is too, and I
use it a lot more than logging in to be honest. It would be nice if the
mobile template was a bit more friendly though.

As for the Next/Previous buttons on messages, I like the idea, I'm just
not sure at this stage how to do it (it's not quiet as simple as you
would think lol)

My wondering about the web side is more to do with how to present the new
reply linking stuff (if at all).

Andrew

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Quoting apam to Tiny <=-

As for the Next/Previous buttons on messages, I like the idea, I'm
just not sure at this stage how to do it (it's not quiet as simple as
you would think lol)

I believe you, I can't deal with web languages at all anymore,
anything newer then HTML 0.1 and I'm lost. ;)

My wondering about the web side is more to do with how to present the
new reply linking stuff (if at all).

Ahhh, Tree view? But again I'm sure that's making it overly complex.
Maybe the same way as telnet? with message numbers? In reply to xxxx
the only thing is I guess on the webside those would have to be links?

Shawn

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I believe you, I can't deal with web languages at all anymore,
anything newer then HTML 0.1 and I'm lost. ;)

http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/MarkUp/Tags.html

;)


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Hey

Looks like magimail is failing miserably at linking messages. Not sure
if it's because I had quick linking set... will test some more without
it set..

Andrew

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On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 18:44:09 +1000
"apam -> All" <0@126.1.21> wrote:

Looks like magimail is failing miserably at linking messages. Not sure
if it's because I had quick linking set... will test some more without
it set..

I don't have quick linking enabled in crashmail and linking works very reliable
(in golded an jamnntpd). I never tested it with quick linking though.

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A reply...

Andrew

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Another reply

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Another reply

And another one....

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And another one....

Sorry about this... another reply.. :(

Andrew

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Quoting apam to All <=-

Looks like magimail is failing miserably at linking messages. Not sure
if it's because I had quick linking set... will test some more without
it set..

Just started tossing mail in Magicka again yesterday. I'll check it
tomorrow as that should give it lots of mail.

Quick scripting question (not MagickaBBS related) in watchmail.sh, how
can I watch the ftn\in directory and toss mail if files magically show
up there without binkd?

Shawn

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And another one....

Sorry about this... another reply.. :(

I'll fix it eventually :/

Andrew

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Test


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Another test


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Test

Last test for tonight... then I'm giving up. :(

Andrew

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Test

Last test for tonight... then I'm giving up. :(

Oh I need a reply.. so here it is ....

Andrew

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Test

Last test for tonight... then I'm giving up. :(

Oh I need a reply.. so here it is ....

I think I'm on to something... two more replys then bed :)


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Test

Last test for tonight... then I'm giving up. :(

Oh I need a reply.. so here it is ....

I think I'm on to something... two more replys then bed :)

The reply

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Test

Last test for tonight... then I'm giving up. :(

Oh I need a reply.. so here it is ....

I think I'm on to something... two more replys then bed :)

The reply

It works! It works!

Andrew


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On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 22:57:59 +1000
"apam -> apam" <0@125.1.21> wrote:

Test

Last test for tonight... then I'm giving up. :(

Oh I need a reply.. so here it is ....

I think I'm on to something... two more replys then bed :)

The reply

It works! It works!

sleep well :)

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02 Nov 19 22:57, you wrote to you:

The reply

It works! It works!

Can confirm it's working in Golded here as well.

Shawn


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Quick scripting question (not MagickaBBS related) in watchmail.sh,
how can I watch the ftn\in directory and toss mail if files magically show up there without binkd?

You could use inotifytools to monitor the directory.. I don't have an
example off hand but you should be able to find one online somewhere.

Andrew

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On Sat, 2 Nov 2019 18:44:09 +1000
"apam -> All" <0@126.1.21> wrote:

Looks like magimail is failing miserably at linking messages. Not sure
if it's because I had quick linking set... will test some more without
it set..

I don't have quick linking enabled in crashmail and linking works very reliable (in golded an jamnntpd). I never tested it with quick linking though.

I don't know what was going on, or why it works for others and not me (I
tested the bases in golded as well as magicka).

I thought it might be because magimail was forked before 1.7, but it
looks like the only difference between 1.6 and 1.7 are some spelling corrections.

Could also possibly be because I'm not using the jamlib that comes with crashmail - it's from the jamlib site, but I made a few fixes to it,
though nothing to do with reply linking.

At any rate my re-write of the reply linking stuff seems to be working
now, and I used the code to write a tool that will re-link an entire
message base.

Andrew

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Quoting apam to Tiny <=-

You could use inotifytools to monitor the directory.. I don't have an example off hand but you should be able to find one online somewhere.

I'm playing with that this morning. Quite sure that's the way to go.
Thanks.

Shawn

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