if Microsoft is not going to support WIndows 10 especially the 32 bit edition would OS/2 Arca Noae be the better solution?
Utopian Galt wrote to All <=-
if Microsoft is not going to support WIndows 10 especially the 32 bit edition would OS/2 Arca Noae be the better solution?
if Microsoft is not going to support WIndows 10 especially the 32 bit edition would OS/2 Arca Noae be the better solution?
It would be for Retro gaming on DOS and bbsing.
if Microsoft is not going to support WIndows 10 especially the 32 bit edition would OS/2 Arca Noae be the better solution?
RAM, but no TPM chip. I can't upgrade to Windows 11 automatically, but
may be able to upgrade from CD - but no guarantees from Microsoft. I may be finally making the move to Linux in 2025.
I'd bet that corporate use of Windows 10 compels Microsoft to push
support out a little longer.
For a lot of my $dayjob work I'm using WSL anyway, and when I'm not I'm using apps that are either web based, or available for Linux anyway. So I could use Linux at work - IT department permitting (I did use Linux at my last job, as did several of my colleagues).
Personally, I only run Windows 11 on this machine because running Davinci Resolve on Linux requires the $$$ version in order to get the codec support I need - and I may well pay that premium before too long and make the switch.
My workshop PC runs Windows 10, and it will almost certainly become a Linux machine in 2025 - I'd do it now except it's not a 5 minute change!
This is largely the situation I'm in - I have one PC that can (and does) run Windows-11, and my work laptop runs Windows-11. None of my other machines are capable (well, not officially capable).
I wouldn't be sure about that - it'll probably just mean that Microsoft will offer those corporates support at a price (ie, if you pay the yearly fee, you get security updates for an extra 5 years). I'm pretty sure I've heard of them doing that with previous versions of Windows..
Tracker1 wrote to TassieBob <=-
I'd say that WSL is the only thing that makes Windows tolerable at this point. Last place I was at the IT/Ops guys were testing Linux support, would have been a nice option.
Laugh, I remember doing that as well! I switched to OS/2 right around that time because it worked better.
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By: Tiny to Bob Worm on Mon Nov 06 2023 06:18 am
Laugh, I remember doing that as well! I switched to OS/2 right aroun that time because it worked better.
I really wanted to see OS/2 overtake Windows, but by the mid-90s, I
think it was too late.
Yeah.. OS/2 Warp was basically Windows 2000 six years early..and sure enough by the time it got to Win2K service pack 2 or 3 I switched over to that
instead. The stability was just as good for me..
I kept trying to decide if I was going to say Windows 7 or XP was the last Windows I truly liked everything about the GUI.. but I hate them both lol. Win2K for life.
I liked Win2K as well. But I did like Windows XP and Windows 7 too.. I kinda liked their UIs, though I did tend to disable the Windows Themes service and have the Windows UI look more like Win2K. I preferred not having so much resources taken by the UI. Though these days, I feel
like operating system UIs look too flat and uninteresting.
I don't know why, but for me, WinXP feels like the best GUI experience
of any OS I've ever used. I loved XP. Perhaps it's just nostalgia but I really enjoyed using it and still like using it on one of my retro
builds.
fusion wrote to Nightfox <=-
I kept trying to decide if I was going to say Windows 7 or XP was the
last Windows I truly liked everything about the GUI.. but I hate them
both lol. Win2K for life.
I don't know why, but for me, WinXP feels like the best GUI experience of any OS I've ever used. I loved XP. Perhaps it's just nostalgia but I really enjoyed using it and still like using it on one of my retro builds.
I may need to spin up another XP nostalgia VM.
It's funny to think of Windows XP as nostalgia now. I remember using XP when it was brand new and thinking it was pretty cool.
I don't know why, but for me, WinXP feels like the best GUI experience
of any OS I've ever used. I loved XP. Perhaps it's just nostalgia but I really enjoyed using it and still like using it on one of my retro
builds.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
It's funny to think of Windows XP as nostalgia now. I remember using
XP when it was brand new and thinking it was pretty cool.
It's funny to think of Windows XP as nostalgia now. I remember using XP
when it was brand new and thinking it was pretty cool.
You're not alone. I remember when we had to phase Windows XP out, and we had holdouts who preferred it to Windows 7.
I remember when we had to phase Windows XP out, and we
had holdouts who preferred it to Windows 7.
You're not alone. I remember when we had to phase Windows XP out, and we had holdouts who preferred it to Windows 7.
WinXP was OK, but after failed Vista I think W7 ultimately upgraded the original Windows experience to the maximum, before the've started
screwing again.
I just touched Win 11 today for the first time in my life, for 2 minutes and I switched back to Mac... W10 was OK again... not so much big difference to me after W7.. it only fixed w8 badness in all front,
nothing revolutionary and w11 is like poor's man macos with file
explorer + browser integration brought back to windows again....
Operating systems these days all have a more plain, flat UI. I feel
like it's like they don't put any thought or effort into making the UI look good anymore.
Operating systems these days all have a more plain, flat UI. I feel
like it's like they don't put any thought or effort into making the UI
look good anymore.
I do like some aspects of this. For example I use KDE Plasma as my DE on my daily driver linux laptop, and I love it. I have everything set to dark mode but beyond that most things are plain OOTB settings. It feels like a very natural and complete UX to me.
Quoting Nightfox to Fusion <=-
preferred not having so much resources taken by the UI. Though these days, I feel like operating system UIs look too flat and
uninteresting.
100% agree. We can thank mobile devices for the idiotic UI's of desktop computers today. Ugh.
Operating systems these days all have a more plain, flat UI. I feel like it's like they don't put any thought or effort into making the U look good anymore.
I do like some aspects of this. For example I use KDE Plasma as my DE on my daily driver linux laptop, and I love it. I have everything set to
dark mode but beyond that most things are plain OOTB settings. It feels like a very natural and complete UX to me.
100% agree. We can thank mobile devices for the idiotic UI's of desktop computers today. Ugh.
Spectre wrote to Elf <=-
You can probably also add a decline in pooty sales to that too. The
long shop, (side of the road) has gotten very sparse in computers over
the last few years. I suspect the only main to groups still buying are corporate and game boys...
for my main desktop though, http://kirin.dcclost.com/~alex/fsx_rc.png
basically stripped to the bones :) and very much how i remember linux as
a sort of pick-and-choose random pile of software
The next thing I know, Windows 8 is being rolled out and it looks
exactly like the phone. Supposedly it's all geared around being able to use proper Windows on a touchscreen / tablet. Gross.
for my main desktop though, http://kirin.dcclost.com/~alex/fsx_rc.png
That's pretty cool. I've always had respect for Slackware, it was one of my original linux distros way back in the day. I had no idea there was
an OS/2 Warp DE :P
basically stripped to the bones :) and very much how i remember linux a sort of pick-and-choose random pile of software
Yeah, for a while I was going super minimal. I made an Openbox desktop with a panel and a right click menu and that was basically it. I enjoyed setting it up but it was missing some QOL features so I ended up just giving Plasma a shot. Turns out Plasma doesn't eat up much more RAM than running a super minimal Openbox, so... *shrug* here I am hehe
This reminds me of the Enlightenment window manager for linux. E back in the day was sharp, and I really liked it and found it to be a standout. Then, they made design decisions to prepare it for mobile computing, and that really changed the trajectory of the look and feel of E. It changed
Quoting Spectre to Elf <=-
You can probably also add a decline in pooty sales to that too. The
long shop, (side of the road) has gotten very sparse in computers over
the last few years. I suspect the only main to groups still buying are corporate and game boys...
If pooty sales are slowly going down the tube, then its probably not
worth dollar wise putting the effort into making them pretty.
E reminded me of Litestep for Windows. I started using it looking for a lower-overhead environment for my BBS, and ended up endlessly tweaking
it to make a custom environment for my laptop. I wish I could find the theme I had, I loved it, but ended up spending more time tweaking it
than using my laptop. :)
esc wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
That's how I was for a long time :P Now I just settle into comfy KDE Plasma and call it a day.
Quoting Bob Worm to Elf <=-
100% agree. We can thank mobile devices for the idiotic UI's of desktop computers today. Ugh.
Yes, I remember being given a Windows mobile for work. An authentic Windows experience, it spent the first afternoon applying patches
before I could even use it and would occasionally reboot just before a
key meeting to install updates as well... That had the "new", "modern" tiled appearance.
The next thing I know, Windows 8 is being rolled out and it looks
exactly like the phone. Supposedly it's all geared around being able
to use proper Windows on a touchscreen / tablet. Gross.
I spent the next 6 months ignoring ever grumpier e-mails from IT
telling me I needed to be "upgraded" to Windows 8. Eventually I
managed to inherit a Mac from someone else who left the company and
then ultimately resigned myself. I've still not had to face the
prospect of working on any version above 7.
Quoting Blue White to Spectre <=-
That last bit has come to light now that the systems are being
upgraded to be all point and click. The new user hires don't know how
to do even that.
But, I found myself fixing too many things too many times. But what I
loved about it, is buttons were clearly buttons, borders around windows clearly were visible, etc. I like having an interface I can see. :-)
But, I found myself fixing too many things too many times. But what I loved
about it, is buttons were clearly buttons, borders around windows clearly
were visible, etc. I like having an interface I can see. :-)
This is why I switched from Linux as a daily OS to Mac - everything just works and I still have a proper shell. Except some very nerdy stuff where I need to fall back to Linux, which I can do by tunneling X Windows through SSH.
I've used Mac OS before, mostly for work, and in my experience, not everything just works all the time. I use Linux Mint at home for my BBS PC (I also run Plex Media Server on it), and things have pretty much always worked there for me. Even upgrades to new versions of the OS have always gone fairly smoothly.
Yeah, I will admit that upgrading my iMac to Big Sur absolutely screwed it. The in-place upgrade completely failed to the point where it couldn't boot and a from-scratch install was basically unusable. I legitimately
But, I found myself fixing too many things too many times. But what
I loved about it, is buttons were clearly buttons, borders around
windows clearly were visible, etc. I like having an interface I can
see. :-)
This is why I switched from Linux as a daily OS to Mac - everything
just works and I still have a proper shell. Except some very nerdy
stuff where I need to fall back to Linux, which I can do by tunneling
X Windows through SSH.
The GUI elements are very consistent on Mac so they look like what
they are to me, possibly I've just got used to them. I don't miss the window borders, they remind me of clunky old Windows versions and for
me they're wasted space - I do get annoyed by the rounded corners on
Mac Windows, though - sometimes it eats into the content of the window which is... kind of unforgivable!
For some strange reason I'm fascinated by the way screen grabbing a
full window also grabs the window's shadow, complete with alpha
channel. It does look nice when you put the image into documentation, though.
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This reminds me of the Enlightenment window manager for linux. E back in the day was sharp, and I really liked it and found it to be a standout.
Laugh, I remember doing that as well! I switched to OS/2 right around that time because it worked better.I did too, ran OS/2 for my bbsing and sysop needs with dialup at that time.. I use Mac as my daily driver and only have Win11 in Parallels for those things that needs full blown Windows otherwise for the odd Windows game I play through Crossover.
I really wanted to see OS/2 overtake Windows, but by the mid-90s, I
think it was too late.
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