On 11/16/2020 2:54 AM, between "Kurt Weiske - Stas Mishchenkov":

This is an example of how some of these Telegram messages look on the
Fidonet side. How is this an improvement, again?

The "empty" messages with just a link are not good. The process employed at TgBBS is still quite new. Improvements are coming. Stas built a whole FTN tosser in a few weeks to accommodate the transfers. I had to learn how to actually add a caption to a shared photo so that the text would accompany the link. Any Telegram specific tags (eg. stickers) can be disabled.

My BBS environment is intentionally separate from the web. The joy I
receive from BBSing is specifically because of the lack of likes,
links, and forwarded content. I want to read what people are thinking,
not what they're clicking on.

I don't think I haven't seen an echo that has never had a link in it to either some article or even to another bbs landing page over the decades. The taglines and origin lines are regularly filled with http:// links. How is that "intentionally separate from the web"?

Sometimes a picture can express a thought much better than a lengthy message. An http:// link to a photo can be part of that discussion. It would certainly be nice if that same message could provide context at the same time. But the presence of a message with just a link should not flash thoughts of horror and indestictiveness from the web. Links and URLs are a normal thing to provide when writing a message.

If there's a way to share the concepts, ideas and content of Fidonet
through alternative means, I'm all for it. But keep what makes FTN
unique.

The TgBBS process is an attempt to grow and draw attention to Fidonet. What exactly is the uniqueness that you speak of? A feeling?

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August Abolins wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

My BBS environment is intentionally separate from the web. The joy I
receive from BBSing is specifically because of the lack of likes,
links, and forwarded content. I want to read what people are thinking,
not what they're clicking on.

I don't think I haven't seen an echo that has never had a link in it to either some article or even to another bbs landing page over the
decades. The taglines and origin lines are regularly filled with
http:// links. How is that "intentionally separate from the web"?

The majority of the content I'm reading isn't linked elsewhere, like
in a post that's just a link to an image, or a link to an article
elsewhere. Like I mentioned, I'm an edge case here - my environment
is vDOS (like DOSBOX), and doesn't easily support copy/paste out of
the environment.

Sometimes a picture can express a thought much better than a lengthy message. An http:// link to a photo can be part of that discussion. It would certainly be nice if that same message could provide context at
the same time. But the presence of a message with just a link should
not flash thoughts of horror and indestictiveness from the web. Links
and URLs are a normal thing to provide when writing a message.

Horror? Said no one.

If there's a way to share the concepts, ideas and content of Fidonet
through alternative means, I'm all for it. But keep what makes FTN
unique.

The TgBBS process is an attempt to grow and draw attention to Fidonet. What exactly is the uniqueness that you speak of? A feeling?

Long form posts not limited by an interface that hinders writing.
Threaded conversations. Full headers (to/from/subject) and quoting.
Original content. Message order controlled by the reader. Real names,
"real names", or aliases - pick one.

These are some of the qualities that I see in Fidonet and the
othernets. Most of us here are sysops. While this is a definite part
of Fidonet now, it wasn't always that way, and I appreciate the
diversity that came when callers roamed the BBSes. It would be nice
to get some new perspectives in here.






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Hello Kurt!

** On Thursday 19.11.20 - 17:02, Kurt Weiske wrote to August Abolins:

...The taglines and origin lines are regularly filled with
http:// links. How is that "intentionally separate from the web"?

The majority of the content I'm reading isn't linked elsewhere, like
in a post that's just a link to an image, or a link to an article
elsewhere. Like I mentioned, I'm an edge case here - my environment
is vDOS (like DOSBOX), and doesn't easily support copy/paste out of
the environment.

Noted. Although I don't require a multi-step copy/paste with
OpenXP (I use more modern and supported software. <g>),
following a message thread with subsequent links as the main
content of communication would be combersome.

not flash thoughts of horror and indestictiveness from the web. Links
and URLs are a normal thing to provide when writing a message.

Horror? Said no one.

That's my creative writing emerging. :)

What exactly is the uniqueness that you speak of? A feeling?

Long form posts not limited by an interface that hinders writing.
Threaded conversations. Full headers (to/from/subject) and quoting.
Original content. Message order controlled by the reader. Real names,
"real names", or aliases - pick one.

Stas' bot has done pretty good in a pretty short time. The FTN
header and kludges seem to represent more than the minumum
required. TgM messages are fully threaded and graphically
represented using OpenXP.

.. and I appreciate the diversity that came when callers
roamed the BBSes. It would be nice to get some new
perspectives in here.

I almost succeeded in rounding up two ex-echomail users from
years ago to rejoin us on Fidonet (via Telegram ofcourse! <g>)
..but they do not have cell phones (which is required to
receive the activation code via sms), yet.

They are quite comfortable with the "appearance" of Facebook
style messaging. They are not interested in using the old-
fashioned fixed-width DOS-like screens typical of the BBSes
they remember. They would be fine with something new. They
like the screenshots I provided of sample Telegram sessions
using the desktop app.

Aftershock/Hotdoged is limited to the smartphone/tablet. They
do not want to be tied to just those devices.

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